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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #100 on: November 07, 2016, 12:13:10 PM »
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LORD OF THE JUNGLE
 - Does Loris Lotion have a daily usage restriction?



...only one class.  That was easy!

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #101 on: November 07, 2016, 05:31:18 PM »
Not currently.  If it needs one how about cha mod/day?

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #102 on: November 07, 2016, 06:13:18 PM »
Not currently.  If it needs one how about cha mod/day?

I'm not sure if it needs one or not honestly.  It's probably fine.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #103 on: November 07, 2016, 10:19:30 PM »
Cool.  I should warn you there's a lotta cleric PrC's upcoming...

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #104 on: November 07, 2016, 10:56:29 PM »
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PINK PANTHER
 - Worth Your Weight in Gold has a typo (main instead of maim).

TUFF KITTY
 - Improved Paw of Rebuke needs an activation.  Right now it reads as all confusion all the time.

SPOOKY KITTY
 - Is The Look a fear effect?

SNEAKY KITTY
 - Stealth Powah! should note that they are on the cleric spell list at the same level they are on the sorcerer/wizard spell list.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2016, 02:51:48 AM »
Redid all.  If you move on to page 6, the Cats from Uranus at bottom are not quite finished, I need to fiddle with some stuff.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2016, 11:12:40 AM »
Want me to wait until you're done fiddling?

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2016, 02:50:39 PM »
nah, I'll let you know when its done

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2016, 03:16:24 PM »
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MISCHIEVOUS KITTY
 - I'm Out needs an activation.
 - What's Yours is Mine says that you can designate the item with your 3rd level ability (should say 1st level ability).
 - What's Yours is Mine should probably have an activation limit of some sort.
 - What's Mine Can be Yours for a Price should also have an activation limit.


Skipping Cats from Uranus.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2016, 01:20:54 AM »
How does it look now?

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2016, 11:27:40 AM »
Looks fine now.

Ready for page seven?

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2016, 03:59:28 PM »
yuppers

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2016, 06:29:45 PM »
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HORRIBLE KITTY
 - Ignore Obstacles needs the language about what spell level the gained spells are (assassinate specifies the assassin spell list so it's fine).
 - Death To All Who Oppose Us! needs a duration for the sneak attack damage bonus.

FELIMANCER
 - Shouldn't Felimancer levels also count for familiar abilities?
 - The familiar 8th level ability should also remove the penalty for familiar death.

FIXIT GANG
 - Copycat needs restrictions.  No spellcasting/manifesting/maneuvers/meldshaping/etc.  Also, what happens if I take the one class feature the fighter has, "bonus feats"?  Factotum is a little vague on this kind of thing.  (I had a question about taking a progressing ability like sneak attack but I see your phrasing already fixed that).



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CATZILLA
 - Enhanced kitty form 4th level should say that the extra round stacks with the 1st level extra round.

CHILD OF ASMODEUS
 - What requirements make this an epic class?

DIE PANZERKATZEN
 - Blitzkrieg is not on the table.

FLUFFY SMITER OF SMITING 
 - Chozo Warrior has been overhauled into a new system but I understand if you don't want to rebuild the FSoS


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SAD KITTEH
 - Needs a link to the depression flaw that is referenced.
 - Calm emotions needs a save dc.

KITLER
 - Speechify 9th level ability needs the language cleaned up.
 - It gains +1 level to what of existing casting class?

ATHENAEUM CAT
 - Is this canon?


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CAT GOD
 - Requirements say you need one of the epic feats listed below.  There are no epic feats listed below.
 - Deific Apotheosis is gained 10 times.  There are only 9 options.

SAVAGE FERAL
 - Should have adjustments made to match whatever adjustments were made to feral.

CATWITCH
 - Grimoire's fluff is weird since neither required entry class has a spellbook.

I'll just skip Dino Cav.







Okay, I'm going to remake your index to make it easier to use and reference.  Would you rather it all be one list (like it is now), or split up into divine casting, arcane casting, etc?

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2016, 11:37:06 PM »
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HORRIBLE KITTY
 - Ignore Obstacles needs the language about what spell level the gained spells are (assassinate specifies the assassin spell list so it's fine).
 - Death To All Who Oppose Us! needs a duration for the sneak attack damage bonus.

FELIMANCER
 - Shouldn't Felimancer levels also count for familiar abilities?
 - The familiar 8th level ability should also remove the penalty for familiar death.

FIXIT GANG
 - Copycat needs restrictions.  No spellcasting/manifesting/maneuvers/meldshaping/etc.  Also, what happens if I take the one class feature the fighter has, "bonus feats"?  Factotum is a little vague on this kind of thing.  (I had a question about taking a progressing ability like sneak attack but I see your phrasing already fixed that).



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CATZILLA
 - Enhanced kitty form 4th level should say that the extra round stacks with the 1st level extra round.

Fixed.  I haven't really revised the epic PrC's since changing the core class so i may need to revisit them.

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CHILD OF ASMODEUS
 - What requirements make this an epic class?

One of the kitty magic requirements is epic level

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DIE PANZERKATZEN
 - Blitzkrieg is not on the table.

fixed

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FLUFFY SMITER OF SMITING 
 - Chozo Warrior has been overhauled into a new system but I understand if you don't want to rebuild the FSoS

I didn't know about the redo.  Do you have a link?

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SAD KITTEH
 - Needs a link to the depression flaw that is referenced.
 - Calm emotions needs a save dc.

KITLER
 - Speechify 9th level ability needs the language cleaned up.
 - It gains +1 level to what of existing casting class?
  fixed

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ATHENAEUM CAT
 - Is this canon?
  I'd like it to be.  Does it need revisement?


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Page 10

CAT GOD
 - Requirements say you need one of the epic feats listed below.  There are no epic feats listed below.
 - Deific Apotheosis is gained 10 times.  There are only 9 options.
  will fix, lemme go back through my notes

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SAVAGE FERAL
 - Should have adjustments made to match whatever adjustments were made to feral.

CATWITCH
 - Grimoire's fluff is weird since neither required entry class has a spellbook.

I'll just skip Dino Cav.







Okay, I'm going to remake your index to make it easier to use and reference.  Would you rather it all be one list (like it is now), or split up into divine casting, arcane casting, etc?

Fixed.  Splitting stuff up is okay.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2016, 10:49:37 AM »
Chozo Warrior system overhaul is here.  The Chozo Warrior is from Metroid as Incarnum, Power of Cybernetics is the new system (but Metroid as Incarnum is different enough that you can stick with it without a problem).

ATHENAEUM CAT
 - looks fine as is, I didn't see any needed changes.

Okay, i'll overhaul the index and have it as a new post.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2016, 12:31:15 PM »
Cat Burglar Prestige Class List

All prestige classes listed require some levels of cat burglar (or in a handful of cases, being a member of a cat race).  For ease of reference (because there are so many classes), this list has been split into sections based off of the suggested entry classes.

The list is in the following format: Class name (Page #) [Multiclass requirement if any]

No Multiclass Required
The Abominable Snow Kitty (Page 1)
Big Kitty (Page 1)
Cabbit (Page 3)
Cheshire Cat (Page 2)
Critter (Page 1)
Feral (Page 1)
Foof Lord (Page 1)
Katgrrl (Page 1)
Lord of the Jungle (Page 4)
Ninelifer (Page 2)
Om Nom Nom Fu (Page 3)
Pink Panther (Page 5)
Pixie Kitty (Page 2)
Pocket Kitty (Page 2)
Sand Cat (Page 3)
Sanda's Little Helpers (Page 2)
Savage Feral (Page 10)
Sea Tiger (Page 3)
Watchcat (Page 2)

Arcane Casters
Bakeneko (Page 2) [Any non-prepared Arcane]
Breathsucker (Page 1) [Any Arcane]
Burger Chef (Page 3) [Any Arcane or Divine spontaneous caster]
Catnipper (Page 1) [Any Arcane or Divine]
Cats from Saturn (Page 1) [Any Arcane or Manifester]
Catwitch (Page 10) [Sorcerer or Favored Soul]
The Familiar (Page 2) [Any non-prepared Arcane]
Fencepost Yowler (Page 1) [Bard]
Good Kitty (Page 1) [Any Arcane]
Lazor Kitteh (Page 2) [Warlock]
Members of the Boogie Nation (Page 8) [Bard]
Moritician (Page 2) [Any with undead creation spells]
Thundercat (Page 3) [Any Arcane or Manifester]

Divine Casters
Athenaeum Cat (Page 9) [Archivist]
Burger Chef (Page 3) [Any Arcane or Divine spontaneous caster]
Catnipper (Page 1) [Any Arcane or Divine]
Catwitch (Page 10) [Sorcerer or Favored Soul]
Curious Kitties (Page 6) [Cleric]
Cute Kitties (Page 6) [Cleric]
Crazy Cat Lady (Page 1) [Druid]
Felimancer (Page 7) [Cleric]
Horrible Kitties (Page 7) [Cleric]
Lazy Kitties (Page 7) [Cleric]
Masseuse (Page 8) [Healer]
Mischievous Kitty (Page 6) [Cleric]
Moritician (Page 2) [Any with undead creation spells]
Professional Mouser (Page 2) [Druid]
Scared Kitties (Page 6) [Cleric]
Sisters of the Sphinx  (Page 3) [Any Divine]
Sneaky Kitties (Page 5) [Cleric]
Snuggly Kitties (Page 6) [Cleric]
Spooky Kitties (Page 5) [Cleric]
Tuff Kitty (Page 5) [Cleric]
Vet (Page 2) [Any Divine]

Manifesters
Catooist (Page 8) [Wilder]
Cats from Saturn (Page 1) [Any Arcane or Manifester]
Darth Puddytatses (Page 1) [Psychic Warrior or Lurk]
Thundercat (Page 3) [Any Arcane or Manifester]

Martial Multiclass
Bad Kitty (Page 1) [Hexblade]
Bear Wrassler (Page 1) [Any Martial Adept]
Cat Fu Fighter (Page 1) [Any Martial Adept]
Iron Floof Kung Fu (Page 3) [Barbarian]
Meowcenary (Page 3) [Warblade]
Son of Pinky (Page 2) [Barbarian]
Trickster (Page 2) [Swashbuckler]
Yarn Kensai (Page 3) [Any Martial Adept]

Ninjas (All require ninja multiclass)
Akaneko Clan (Page 1)
The Black Paws (Page 2)
Short Paw Clan (Page 2)

Other Multiclass
Aristocat (Page 1) [Aristocrat]
Burlap Guild Member (Page 1) [Dragonfire Adept]
Cats from Uranus (Page 6) [Pariah homebrew class]
The Fixit Gang (Page 7) [Factotum]
The Grasshopper Society (Page 2) [Monk]
Gunner Kitty (Page 3) [Engineer homebrew class]
Library Cat (Page 3) [Librarian homebrew class]
Phantom Cat (Page 3) [Harrowed homebrew class]
Ranpu (Page 3) [Wisp Fire Guide homebrew class]
Support Kitteh (Page 2) [Engineer homebrew class]
Tibbit Jester (Page 2) [Jester]
Tibbit Skirmisher (Page 2) [Scout]




Epic Prestige Classes
Cat God (Page 10) [Any]
Catzilla (Page 8) [Any]
Catzooka (Page 9) [Lazor Kitteh]
Child of Asmodeus (Page 8) [Any]
Die Panzerkatzen (Page 8) [Son of Pinky]
Fluffy Smiter of Smiting (Page 8) [Chozo Warrior homebrew class]
Grumpy Cat (Page 9) [Good Kitty]
Itty Bitty Pwitty Wun (Page 8) [Good Kitty]
Keyboard Cat (Page 9) [Bard]
Kitler (Page 9) [Breathsucker]
Mistress of the Toadie Frogs (Page 9) [Cats from Saturn]
Nyan Cat (Page 10) [Any Martial Adept]
Overcat (Page 10) [Various, see class requirements]
Sad Kitteh (Page 9) [Good Kitty]
The Four (Page 10) [Various, see class requirements]
Viking Cat (Page 9) [Any]

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2016, 12:31:34 PM »
There, I think that's accurate.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2016, 04:06:45 PM »
omg thank you!

Whilst I work on chozo and cats from saturn would you mind peeking through the kitty magic thread?  http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1039.0

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2016, 06:15:39 PM »
You're welcome, hopefully now the prestige classes won't feel so intimidating to poeple.


Kitty Magic

Basement Cat (and Ceiling Cat)
 - Teleportation needs an activation action

Gimme a Break Here
 - I assume the lack of XP cost is intentional?

Hover Cat
 - Why is this the only one with an expensive material component?

Is the kitty magic list here seperate from the Feral's class list?  If so it should be up in the first post.

I'm not doing epic spells.

Dander domain granted power should specify it applies to dander domain spells.

Kitty Gawds table is broken and should also be moved to the top post with the domains in my opinion.

I'm not balancing the gods either.

Feline Way
 - Flying Cuisinart should specify attack of opportunity interactions (against you).

Paw of Legend epic feline way isn't finished fyi.

I'm ignoring the creatures, they all seem to be copied from other sources.

Also ignoring epic magic items, I can't balance epic.

I think that everything else is okay but the thread needs some reorganization.

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Re: Cat Burglar DIscussion Thread
« Reply #119 on: November 11, 2016, 11:16:50 PM »
You're welcome, hopefully now the prestige classes won't feel so intimidating to poeple.


Kitty Magic

Basement Cat (and Ceiling Cat)
 - Teleportation needs an activation action
  Swift Action okay?

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Gimme a Break Here
 - I assume the lack of XP cost is intentional?
  Oops!  Hows 'if it duplicates a spell with an xp cost you lose that cost or 200 xp, whichever is higher'.

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Hover Cat
 - Why is this the only one with an expensive material component?
fixed

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Is the kitty magic list here seperate from the Feral's class list?  If so it should be up in the first post.
  It should be the same, I'll check to be sure.

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I'm not doing epic spells.
  Oh god no, I didn't expect you to do epic stuffs.  I'd never put you through that.

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Dander domain granted power should specify it applies to dander domain spells.

Kitty Gawds table is broken and should also be moved to the top post with the domains in my opinion.
  Fixed dander, will fix tables shortly as soon as I figure out where I went wrong


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Feline Way
 - Flying Cuisinart should specify attack of opportunity interactions (against you).

Paw of Legend epic feline way isn't finished fyi.
  Fixed flying cuisinart.  Hvent done any of the epic Maneuvers yet (I actually havent revised any epic stuff yet).


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I think that everything else is okay but the thread needs some reorganization.

I'll be doing that once I finish up.  Wow, you really burned through those spells!  A lot of those critters on the last page are 3.5 versions of 2e critters.  Mind just giving the core class and feats a once over whilst I work on chozo?  http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=1037.0

(seriously I thought those spells gave me a couple days to finsih up lol.  Also I cant thank you for this enough!
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