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Meta Board => Retired PbP Games => Archive => [D&D 3.5] Wizard College => Topic started by: Shiki on March 24, 2012, 09:39:35 PM
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In case you haven't noticed, I'm pretty much hooked in. Not much for pbp (too slow) but I'll join in on your OOC chat so long as I can remember I've been posting in here.
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Oh, I don't really mind. Most of time I find what you write fun, useful and/or interesting.
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Question: While the game is called Wizard college, I take it divine casters are alright as well?
EDIT: Assuming yes, I have a two more questions regarding Animal Companions:
1) Flaws & Traits for the AC? Since we already have things like Loredrake running around, I might as well ask :P
2) Swapping out/retraining feats for more useful ones? Things like Alertness and Improved Natural Attack are a bit lackluster...
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Hey Aye, you could look into the feats in Dragon 298 as some fun necro boosters.
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Shiks, do you care about carrying capacity or encumbrance?
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Question: While the game is called Wizard college, I take it divine casters are alright as well?
Anything partly Neutral on any axis is fine over there.
1) Flaws & Traits for the AC? Since we already have things like Loredrake running around, I might as well ask :P
I don't mind.
2) Swapping out/retraining feats for more useful ones? Things like Alertness and Improved Natural Attack are a bit lackluster...
I'm fine with that too.
Shiks, do you care about carrying capacity or encumbrance?
I'm not pointy with those numbers, although don't be packed like a horse if you normally can't. :p
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I'm just worried about my Str 6 Kobold being able to, you know, walk. :D
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What's the list of item you want him to carry all the time? In the school you won't have to carry too much things anyhow because you can dump most of your stuff in the dorms.
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What's the list of item you want him to carry all the time? In the school you won't have to carry too much things anyhow because you can dump most of your stuff in the dorms.
Oh yeah! I don't have to worry about crap like a bedroll or a tent, and if I do I can just by a freaking mule. Rock on.
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Question: While the game is called Wizard college, I take it divine casters are alright as well?
Anything partly Neutral on any axis is fine over there.
1) Flaws & Traits for the AC? Since we already have things like Loredrake running around, I might as well ask :P
I don't mind.
2) Swapping out/retraining feats for more useful ones? Things like Alertness and Improved Natural Attack are a bit lackluster...
I'm fine with that too.
Shiks, do you care about carrying capacity or encumbrance?
I'm not pointy with those numbers, although don't be packed like a horse if you normally can't. :p
Who's awesome? You're awesome :)
Should have a sheet up by the end of the day
What's the list of item you want him to carry all the time? In the school you won't have to carry too much things anyhow because you can dump most of your stuff in the dorms.
And of course we'll have lockers, right? Gotta have lockers in a school :D
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Question: How do we calculate HP?
Also, any suggestions for flaws for a Druid? Thought about Bestial Instinct, but unfortunately that's not compatible with Dissolving Spittle
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Question: How do we calculate HP?
Also, any suggestions for flaws for a Druid? Thought about Bestial Instinct, but unfortunately that's not compatible with Dissolving Spittle
You're highly allergic to pollen and incur a -1 penalty to ability checks, skills, saves, and attack rolls each round spent outdoors or wearing wooden armor. Immunity to poisons lessen this to only affect your saves.
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With Focused Necromancer/Anima Mage, I'm fluffing this character as one that lets departed spirits inhabit his body to cast his spells. Is there a decent second PrC for a debuff-focused Necromancer that fits that concept better than Dread Witch?
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Fiend-blooded? Incantatrix?
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Question: How do we calculate HP?
Full.
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Crap... Shiki, I just realized that Master Transmogrifist doesn't allow you to choose monsters of your own type as favored shapes. I'm going to rework into Swiftblade, ok?
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What's the list of item you want him to carry all the time? In the school you won't have to carry too much things anyhow because you can dump most of your stuff in the dorms.
And of course we'll have lockers, right? Gotta have lockers in a school :D
There aren't any lockers because it's a boarding school. Students keep their effects in their dorms. Instructors likewise have their own living quarters.
That said, it's not a stretch for the school to provide bags of holding for students who request them and are found needing. The school also has a crafting area and likely even class for those who are so inclined.
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Crap... Shiki, I just realized that Master Transmogrifist doesn't allow you to choose monsters of your own type as favored shapes. I'm going to rework into Swiftblade, ok?
I don't mind. :P
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I don't remember if you posted this in the old thread, but how are you treating bloodlines? The prereq feats for Swiftblade suck... would you accept a custom major bloodline?
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I don't remember if you posted this in the old thread, but how are you treating bloodlines? The prereq feats for Swiftblade suck... would you accept a custom major bloodline?
What good would that do over, say, a level or two of Fighter/PsyWar/Martial Monk for the bonus feats? At least the latter gives HP/BAB/Skill Points
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Well, it comes down to a question of whether bloodlines count against ECL or not.
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I don't remember if you posted this in the old thread, but how are you treating bloodlines? The prereq feats for Swiftblade suck... would you accept a custom major bloodline?
What good would that do over, say, a level or two of Fighter/PsyWar/Martial Monk for the bonus feats? At least the latter gives HP/BAB/Skill Points
Bloodlines do wacky things to caster level, depending on interpretation, also.
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Well, it comes down to a question of whether bloodlines count against ECL or not.
RAW they do, and aren't eligible for LA buyback, which is why I suggested a martial class dip as an alternative
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Well, it comes down to a question of whether bloodlines count against ECL or not.
RAW they do, and aren't eligible for LA buyback, which is why I suggested a martial class dip as an alternative
I disagree that RAW is clear. From the SRD:
Class levels of "bloodline" do not increase a character's character level the way a normal class level does
EDIT: There are a million different ways to interpret how bloodlines work, there was even a handbook about it on the old boards. That's why it's just easier to check with the DM ;)
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Not enough feats even with flaws? :P
If I do allow custom bloodlines, I'm pretty sure everyone will want to make one for himself, and without XP into the equation here I'm not sure out to balance 'em out of the box although it shouldn't be too hard to find something.
If you were to use a custom one though, what would it look like sirpercival?
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Of course there aren't enough feats -- there are never enough unless you're allowing antifeats and heroics + DCFS. ;)
I would probably do a Greater Shadow major bloodline, since he already has the Penumbra Bloodline feat... thematically it fits. Since I won't be going into Master Transmogrifist, I'll go all-out and take Shadow Dragon for Draconic Heritage.
What about something like this?
1st Hide +2
2nd Dodge
3rd Dex +1
4th Mobility
5th Shadow affinity +2
6th Resistance to cold 5 (Ex)
7th Move Silently +2
8th Alertness
9th Cha +1
10th +2 save vs negative energy effects
11th Shadow affinity +4
12th Light fortification
13th Listen +2
14th Spring Attack
15th Wis +1
16th +2 save vs mind-affecting effects
17th Shadow affinity +6
18th Immune to sleep
19th Search +2
20th Immune to stunning
That of course is subject to editing. :)
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Well, it comes down to a question of whether bloodlines count against ECL or not.
RAW they do, and aren't eligible for LA buyback, which is why I suggested a martial class dip as an alternative
I disagree that RAW is clear. From the SRD:
Class levels of "bloodline" do not increase a character's character level the way a normal class level does
EDIT: There are a million different ways to interpret how bloodlines work, there was even a handbook about it on the old boards. That's why it's just easier to check with the DM ;)
Because
the power gain is gradual over a span of twenty levels, a static
level adjustment doesn’t truly reflect this difference. Instead, a
bloodline character must take one or more levels of “bloodline”
at various points in his career, as noted on Table 1–2: Bloodline
Levels. Before a character with a bloodline reaches the indicated
character level, he must take one class level of “bloodline.”
That precedes that little snippet you posted
Now, to me it seems quite clear that while they don't provide all the benefits of regular class levels, they're still class levels nonetheless (and certainly not LA)
YMMV of course, and asking the DM is never a bad thing :)
That being said, if Shiki's okay with a free boost, then who am I to complain :P
(not to mention my Animal Companion is purring in delight at the thought as well)
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Yes, you have to take the "levels", but they don't increase your "character level". Do they increase your ECL like LA do? I agree that RAI you're right, but by RAW it's unclear.
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Yes, you have to take the "levels", but they don't increase your "character level". Do they increase your ECL like LA do? I agree that RAI you're right, but by RAW it's unclear.
Well, since UA continuously refers to them as 'class levels' I'd say so, but that's just one person's interpretation :)
But enough of this, let Shiki make the tough calls
That way we can bitch and complain at him if we don't like his decision :smirk
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Anyhow, I'll go with what this thread (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7167) had come with because I agree with it.
1st Hide +2
2nd Dodge
3rd Dex +1
4th Mobility
5th Shadow affinity +2
6th Resistance to cold 5 (Ex)
7th Move Silently +2
8th Alertness
9th Cha +1
10th +2 save vs negative energy effects
11th Shadow affinity +4
12th Light fortification
13th Listen +2
14th Spring Attack
15th Wis +1
16th +2 save vs mind-affecting effects
17th Shadow affinity +6
18th Immune to sleep
19th Search +2
20th Immune to stunning
1st Hide +2
2nd Dodge
3rd Dex +1
4th Resistance to cold 5 (Ex)
5th Shadow affinity +2
6th Mobility
7th Spot +2
8th +2 save vs mind-affecting effects
9th Cha +1
10th Alertness
11th Shadow affinity +4
12th Spring Attack
13th Listen +2
14th Light fortification
15th Wis +1
16th Immunity to sleep
17th Shadow affinity +6
18th +2 save vs negative energy effects
19th Search +2
20th Immune to stunning
I made a few changes. Would that be fine?
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So basically that it doesn't count against ECL and isn't an LA -- instead I would pay 3000xp at level 2-3 and then 6000xp and level 5-6 and then 12k xp at level 11-12? And that would put me at level 3 + 1000xp (since I can't afford a thought bottle :devil)?
Hmm... blergh. Meh, I like the flavor of it, so even if it drops me behind in the beginning (though with +2 sorc levels that helps!), I'll go for it. Your adjustments are fine. :D
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Sorry, internet and all that :facepalm
As for the bloodline thing, that link is one big wall-o'-texttm
Care to sum up your ruling?
-Do Bloodline levels count towards ECL?
-Free, 'Class levels' or similar to LA?
-If the last one, LA-buyback or not?
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So basically that it doesn't count against ECL and isn't an LA -- instead I would pay 3000xp at level 2-3 and then 6000xp and level 5-6 and then 12k xp at level 11-12? And that would put me at level 3 + 1000xp (since I can't afford a thought bottle :devil)?
Well, you'll be 1 level behind a few times for a bit during your career, but I'll figure out when you should be able to catch up a on everyone as far as levels goes because we don't work with XP.
Hmm... blergh. Meh, I like the flavor of it, so even if it drops me behind in the beginning (though with +2 sorc levels that helps!), I'll go for it. Your adjustments are fine. :D
Great. <:
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Sorry, internet and all that :facepalm
You're forgiven, aw.
As for the bloodline thing, that link is one big wall-o'-texttm
Care to sum up your ruling?
-Do Bloodline levels count towards ECL?
-Free, 'Class levels' or similar to LA?
-If the last one, LA-buyback or not?
-No, except for maximum skill points (i.e.: 1st level 4, 2nd level 5, etc, etc).
-They're not 'class levels' per se, but yes, somewhat similar to LA, although it's more like LA you get as you level.
-I'll figure out when it'll be fine for those who do take bloodlines to catch up with the others, in a similar way to LA-buyback but without XP, since we don't play with XP.
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Hmm, rethinking about it, I'll just disallow bloodlines; it will probably be too much of a hassle for me to keep track of given keeping track every sheets as time goes by plus how I'll give "XP" out. I hope you didn't use too much time on coming with something there sirpercival, if so, sorry. :-\
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Hmm, rethinking about it, I'll just disallow bloodlines; it will probably be too much of a hassle for me to keep track of given keeping track every sheets as time goes by plus how I'll give "XP" out. I hope you didn't use too much time on coming with something there sirpercival, if so, sorry. :-\
No problem, Shikster. It's all good :D I didn't want to make more work for you, I'm just always super ambitious with my chars, and starting at low level means I have to get used to the fact that I can't have everything I want just yet ;)
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Hmm, rethinking about it, I'll just disallow bloodlines; it will probably be too much of a hassle for me to keep track of given keeping track every sheets as time goes by plus how I'll give "XP" out. I hope you didn't use too much time on coming with something there sirpercival, if so, sorry. :-\
No problem, Shikster. It's all good :D I didn't want to make more work for you, I'm just always super ambitious with my chars, and starting at low level means I have to get used to the fact that I can't have everything I want just yet ;)
Godhood will have to come later, sirpercival.
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Hmm, rethinking about it, I'll just disallow bloodlines; it will probably be too much of a hassle for me to keep track of given keeping track every sheets as time goes by plus how I'll give "XP" out. I hope you didn't use too much time on coming with something there sirpercival, if so, sorry. :-\
No problem, Shikster. It's all good :D I didn't want to make more work for you, I'm just always super ambitious with my chars, and starting at low level means I have to get used to the fact that I can't have everything I want just yet ;)
Godhood will have to come later, sirpercival.
Oh, Druzg doesn't need godhood... Slippers of Battledancing would be nice, though ;)
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Hmm, rethinking about it, I'll just disallow bloodlines; it will probably be too much of a hassle for me to keep track of given keeping track every sheets as time goes by plus how I'll give "XP" out. I hope you didn't use too much time on coming with something there sirpercival, if so, sorry. :-\
No problem, Shikster. It's all good :D I didn't want to make more work for you, I'm just always super ambitious with my chars, and starting at low level means I have to get used to the fact that I can't have everything I want just yet ;)
That sounds all too familiar :lol
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Shiki, how do you feel about Heartfire Fanner (Dragon 314)?
I'm envisioning combining Polymorph (into something with lots of natural attacks, like a dragon) + DFI + Snowflake Wardance + slippers of battledancing + Swiftblade 9 (Perpetual Options) + Arcane Strike.
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I'm okay with HFF. I just hope you have enough feats spot for all that stuff, lol.
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I'm okay with HFF. I just hope you have enough feats spot for all that stuff, lol.
Of course not ;) Maybe if we get to 20th level, or you start allowing DCFS ;)
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I'm okay with HFF. I just hope you have enough feats spot for all that stuff, lol.
Of course not ;) Maybe if we get to 20th level, or you start allowing DCFS ;)
Embrace/Shun. Win. *dodges internet books thrown at me by the DM*
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I'm okay with HFF. I just hope you have enough feats spot for all that stuff, lol.
Of course not ;) Maybe if we get to 20th level, or you start allowing DCFS ;)
Embrace/Shun. Win. *dodges internet books thrown at me by the DM*
Oh, you mean the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle? How did I miss that? ;)
EDIT: Bah... I don't think I'll be going the HFF route. I'll save it for a different character. The feat investment is just too huge (3 for HFF, 2 for Swiftblade), I wouldn't be able to go HFF until 12th level. Maybe another time I'll make a Dragonheart Mage/HFF.
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Prime finally nudged me saying he won't participate, so we're at 5 PC. Jack', if you want to make a PC for this, you're welcomed to.
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Okay, I wasn't sure it would turn out like this but it somehow did, and it annoys me a lot.. I know nothing really started here but I want to apologize because I have to put this (not even on-going...)-game on a hold for a while. That 'while' I cannot say how long it will be, there is just too much going on for me as far as RL is concerned, and I can hardly find any time to work on this. Really, sorry guys. :-\
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If Jackinthegreen was going to help, is he interested in running with it still? I know I've been in PMs with Shiki tossing some ideas for him to build off of, perhaps if Jack is willing whatever that has been assembled can be passed on to him and utilized.
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I'm open to discussion, though be warned I'm not so good when I'm the one putting most of the pieces together. At the moment I'm attending to other things and doing poorly so adding another management position is probably not a wise idea. Brainstorming is welcome however, but it wouldn't take off under my direction for a couple weeks or more.