Author Topic: Dragon Mag ACF discussion  (Read 4991 times)

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« on: February 23, 2013, 05:59:06 PM »
This is the discussion thread for http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=9028.0.  If you spot an error or feel something might need a different formatting etc, feel free to post about it here.

Offline sirpercival

  • Epic Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 10855
  • you can't escape the miles
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 06:21:56 PM »
Dragon 311 - wild reaper variant is missing the most important ACF: turn undead.  Get DMM without a dip.
I am the assassin of productivity

(member in good standing of the troll-feeders guild)

It's begun — my things have overgrown the previous sig.

Offline Mithril Leaf

  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 270
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 06:54:14 PM »
Mystic Ranger (Variant Bard: Gain spellcraft, cantrips, 5th level spells, gain other class features slower)

E6 loves Rangers silly boy.

Offline Maat Mons

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 1203
  • What is a smile but a grimace of happiness?
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 08:00:07 PM »
I advocate for page numbers and sorting by class. 

Here's what I've gleaned from Crystal Keep:
(click to show/hide)

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 09:03:22 PM »
Thanks for the list based on classes and not by magazine number, Maat.  I'll add that here in the next couple days once I've formatted it and probably make it the original post then put the mag number list in as the second or third.

Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Perce: I've added that to the list now.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 09:06:23 PM by Jackinthegreen »

Offline Mithril Leaf

  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 270
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 01:54:03 AM »
Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I was trying to be clever in my pointing out that Mystic Ranger is in fact a variant upon the ranger class and not the bard.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2013, 01:55:48 AM by Mithril Leaf »

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 02:50:31 AM »
Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I was trying to be clever in my pointing out that Mystic Ranger is in fact a variant upon the ranger class and not the bard.

Ah, gotcha.

I think the comment about it being a bard variant comes from its spellcasting progression, though of course bards get 0-6th level spells while the mystic ranger gets a fast track 0-5th.

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 03:19:00 PM »
I'm taking longer on this because I'd like to combine the first list based on Dragon issue with the class list Maat provided.  It's looking like a weekend thing, but in the meantime between getting the redone class version up, I'll be adding Maat's original as the second post.

Offline Maat Mons

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 1203
  • What is a smile but a grimace of happiness?
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2013, 09:27:13 PM »
I've noticed a fair number of things that are on Rooster's list, but aren't on the one I posted.  I've compiled them here. 
(click to show/hide)

Some other things I noticed about the list I posted: Horselord, in the barbarian section, is listed as being from issue 337, when it's actually from issue 338.  “Anagakok,” in the wizard section is misspelled.  There's an extra comma on the new special abilities line in the rogue section. 

Would you consider adding descriptions the the class-ordered list? 

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2013, 09:35:16 PM »
When I can get off my ass and do some work I'll add descriptions to the class list as well as all the changes you've proposed, yes.

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2013, 10:58:51 PM »
For those curious, the time for me getting off my ass and working on this is right about now.  I'm in the process of looking at the various Dragon Mags referenced so that I can double check the information and such, and then I'll put it together in the same way that my port of Dead_Weasel's ACF Guide is formatted.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2013, 11:14:24 PM by Jackinthegreen »

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 02:28:40 PM »
I have redone the handbook so it's sorted by classes and then Dragon Mag numbers in the first post.  I've also added the page numbers directly under the spoiler headings when you open them.  Hopefully it should be much easier to reference things now.

I expect I might want to iterate on the formatting and such, but right now I just want to let my brain relax.

Offline awaken_D_M_golem

  • Epic Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 7639
  • classique style , invisible tail
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 03:47:08 PM »
V nice, multi-index-able.


Dr#311 for Clerics: Arcane Disciple: Gains one arcane spell every level from the bard or wiz/sorc spell list one level lower than your maximum and gains all the spells of the Magic domain automatically.

Hobgoblin into Hexer really likes this.
Your codpiece is a mimic.

Offline Jackinthegreen

  • DnD Handbook Writer
  • ****
  • Posts: 6176
  • I like green.
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 12:16:07 AM »
Adding Dragon 330 stuff.

Edit:  Found the page number for the Implacable barbarian and clarified its Rage variant, added alternate monk weapon styles based on real-world martial arts, added sorcerer spheres based on a powerful magical creature as an ancestor.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 01:15:38 AM by Jackinthegreen »

Offline Nifft

  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 324
  • Bad At Lurking
    • View Profile
Re: Dragon Mag ACF discussion
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2016, 10:06:14 PM »
Just wanted to point out an error:

Quote
(Dragon 324)
Page 90
Filidh (Variant Wizard): Different skills, Bardic Knowledge, +CL for Divination spells; no feats, familiar or Scribe scroll.

The text says that the class gives you all Wizard features except as indicated, and the only contra-indicated feature is the Familiar.

If text trumps table -- and we know it does -- then a Filidh gets bonus feats, including Scribe Scroll.

That makes it a significantly better trade, in my opinion.