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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2013, 08:37:47 PM »
Whether the buffing will be mostly for me or for everyone except Athanasia depends on whether the Khan ability lets me share buffs. Any word on that Arias?
Sort of a no, but sort of not. I'm not trying to layer spellshaping synergy on top of regular casting synergy, I'm replacing the latter with the former. I wouldn't say spellshaping buffs are even as powerful as equivalent level buff spells. Certainly not more so.

Your formulas and such I would say could, but I'm still curious about other effects. Asked a modified question of him myself.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2013, 08:57:47 PM »
Oops, sorry I missed that. Looks like I'm getting snowed under with the speed of this thread too, and I've been checking on and off all day...

Some new questions (having horned in on SirP's build space, I'm now going after FITS's too!):

Does the Precise weapon property let you count as having precise shot for the purposes of the Splitting property?

Are (refluffed) magical locations allowed? Specifically, the Otyugh Hole.

For Hylian Warrior, I'd like to switch Iron Tortoise (since I lose my Monk abilities if I use a shield and all IT maneuvers require the use of a shield) with Diamond Mind.

What's my chance of actually hitting anything like? :lmao

Not too bad, I'd say. The stuff we fight will mostly be pretty big so even if its nat armor is awesome its AC will be manageable. 
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2013, 09:18:16 PM »
Some new questions (having horned in on SirP's build space, I'm now going after FITS's too!):
Does the Precise weapon property let you count as having precise shot for the purposes of the Splitting property?
No.

Are (refluffed) magical locations allowed? Specifically, the Otyugh Hole.
If you provide the re-fluff and I accept it. The rivers of Hades seem pretty popular for that, but there are others.

For Hylian Warrior, I'd like to switch Iron Tortoise (since I lose my Monk abilities if I use a shield and all IT maneuvers require the use of a shield) with Diamond Mind.
This is okay by me.

What's my chance of actually hitting anything like? :lmao
Not too bad, I'd say. The stuff we fight will mostly be pretty big so even if its nat armor is awesome its AC will be manageable.
For the most part, this.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2013, 09:46:39 PM »
Question for the party (minus Raineh due to magic immunity, though chime in if you like): Which would be the better buff for your characters in a combat situation, Improved Invisibility, or Mirror Image?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2013, 09:53:51 PM »
For me, probably Improved Invisibility. Aim damage isn't precision damage, but even still, the more times my opponents are flat-footed, the better. Plus, I'm hoping not to be in melee enough for the mirrors to matter.

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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2013, 10:03:40 PM »
SirP and I both have "do not remain in melee range" as part of our gameplans so II is probably the right call.

Any idea what Quillwraith is planning?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2013, 11:59:58 PM »
Which Trick Shot do we think is more useful?
  Critical Shot - I can crit creatures normally immune to crits
  Weak Spot - WisMod/encounter ranged attacks are resolved as ranged touch attacks

If I do Critical Shot now, next level I can do Called Shot (WisMod/encounter ranged attacks can be designated as auto-critical threats).  Or, if I probably won't need to worry about creatures being immune to crits, then I can skip Critical Shot entirely, do Weak Spot now and Called Shot next level.


Also, I think I'm gonna do Martial Study: Clockwatcher as my last feat instead of Martial Study: Temporal Body Adjustment.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2013, 12:06:51 AM »
Unless Arias says different, I would be surprised if many of the things we fight are immune to crits. The legendary monsters are mostly magical beasts or abberations, with titans and such being outsiders. None of those are usually crit immune.

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« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2013, 12:18:08 AM »
Sounds reasonable.  So I guess I'll do Weak Spot now (and maybe called shot next level - we'll see for sure when we get there).

Arias: Eager+Warning Shuriken too HighOp?

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2013, 02:15:28 AM »
Arias: Eager+Warning Shuriken too HighOp?

High op or otherwise, it's not very Greek.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #90 on: June 04, 2013, 05:39:47 AM »
Interesting realisation: if Athanasia attempted to stab herself to death, she would fail. @_@

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« Reply #91 on: June 04, 2013, 10:43:29 AM »
@ Fire
If I do Critical Shot now, next level I can do Called Shot (WisMod/encounter ranged attacks can be designated as auto-critical threats).  Or, if I probably won't need to worry about creatures being immune to crits, then I can skip Critical Shot entirely, do Weak Spot now and Called Shot next level.

I wouldn't skip it entirely, but it is pretty low priority. For the reasons that CNC stated. Some of them do pick up Fortification or the like incidentally, and at least two opponents do get outright immunity. And that's just of what I've reviewed thus far. But most will not have any real resistance to crit, and certainly not the first few.

Also, the two that are immune are pretty definitely late-game.

To answer your question about Serrenwood from earlier a bit more solidly:
If you guys decide to turn against the gods, then it will help against Hecate. That's the only circumstance AFAIK, and by then, you'd definitely have Force anyway.

Arias: Eager+Warning Shuriken too HighOp?
As CNC said. I don't have a problem with you walking around with something like bronze arrows that are meant to be status-symbols though.
That is pretty greek.

Otherwise, it just helps you in the first round, really, and I don't have a problem with you going first.



First of all, There is no such thing as "Improved Invisibility". There is Invisibility, Greater, and Superior. Improved was renamed Greater in the 3.0 > 3.5 revision.

Second of all, and less semantically, NO.

There is one thing, and one thing only, that grants any kind of invisibility. That is Hades' Cap of Darkness. He lent it to Perseus once, and even then, Pers didn't get to keep it past the time he completed his mission.

As of right now, there's no way Hades is going to part with it. He's using it himself off & on.
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #92 on: June 04, 2013, 01:55:17 PM »
Hmm, I wonder if some Stone Salve would be good to have in this game...  :tongue

How about a Feathered Wings graft, made by Daedalus???

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #93 on: June 04, 2013, 02:30:03 PM »
Do you suppose Thaumurai fits? I might also try Marshal and/or Factotum (some small magical abilities, but he's related to Hekate, so that might make sense).

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« Reply #94 on: June 04, 2013, 03:47:12 PM »
First of all, There is no such thing as "Improved Invisibility". There is Invisibility, Greater, and Superior. Improved was renamed Greater in the 3.0 > 3.5 revision.

Second of all, and less semantically, NO.

There is one thing, and one thing only, that grants any kind of invisibility. That is Hades' Cap of Darkness. He lent it to Perseus once, and even then, Pers didn't get to keep it past the time he completed his mission.

As of right now, there's no way Hades is going to part with it. He's using it himself off & on.

So I'm not allowed to pick the "Wane" formula and fluff it as cloaking myself and/or my allies with the power of the moon in such a way that we have total concealment and cannot be detected by sight but in a way that is totally not invisibility?

Would bending the light of the sun in such a way as to create illusionary copies of myself and/or my allies be acceptable?

Those are the most magicy of my abilities. The rest are buffs or attacks that inflict status conditions.

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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #95 on: June 04, 2013, 04:12:41 PM »
Phasing Arrows ok?


EDIT: Orion has been updated somewhat.


MORE EDIT:

Quill, here's a cool build for you:
Thaumurai 13 // Factotum 5 / Ritual Expert 4 / Ritual Prophet 4

You're the Oracle at Delphi! (You could also sub out Factotum 5/RExpert 4 for [Full BAB Class] 5 / Rit. Warrior 4
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #96 on: June 04, 2013, 05:24:04 PM »
Phasing Arrows ok?


EDIT: Orion has been updated somewhat.


MORE EDIT:

Quill, here's a cool build for you:
Thaumurai 13 // Factotum 5 / Ritual Expert 4 / Ritual Prophet 4

You're the Oracle at Delphi! (You could also sub out Factotum 5/RExpert 4 for [Full BAB Class] 5 / Rit. Warrior 4
Thaumurai is full BAB, so could do anything 5/RW 4.

EDIT: Arias, NoNW + Sizing = ??
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Re: Olympians of Conquest (O.o.C.)
« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2013, 06:12:20 PM »
Timeline wise, where are we relative to the life of Heracles?

I ask because, if I'm playing the son of Chiron, it may matter whether Chiron is still alive or not.

Also, a brief potential origin for my Spellsoul Lance: An out of control Erinyeswas taking more vengeance/ vengeance upon the wrong people than some god or other powerful being was willing to put up with. She was captured and bound into a wooden haft that was then made into a lance. Carystus was involved with these events and ended up being charged with holding onto the lance, which retains parts of a personality and powers dedicated to vengeance, and making sure no funny business occurred regarding it.
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« Reply #98 on: June 04, 2013, 06:13:56 PM »
Eh, timeline's all over the place. I think, from recollection, we barely predate the Trojan War.

... would be utterly hilarious to screw that up if we're still alive when all's said and done.

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« Reply #99 on: June 04, 2013, 10:15:22 PM »
So I'm not allowed to...

Correct. Ain't no way in Hades. It all comes down to the myth-cycle, and that doesn't fit.

Would bending the light of the sun in such a way as to create illusionary copies of myself and/or my allies be acceptable?
Yes, you can do that. In fact, I believe there were more than a few times wherein magic-y types actually did stuff like that.
Hecate & Media, I think, both had done so.





Timeline wise, where are we relative to the life of Heracles?
5 Years after the Gigantomachy, 2 years after his death and apotheosis. Also, he is pissed about those creatures being on the loose again.
When I see what Quill is doing, I'll post the opening... Act. I wrote way too much to call it a "scene". At that point, it will make sense.

I ask because, if I'm playing the son of Chiron, it may matter whether Chiron is still alive or not.
About that, there are different versions of his Labor of the Boar. Some, do have the whole "Chiron sacrificing himself for Prometheus" crap. I'm not going by that at all.
That part of the Myth conflicts with:
  • Other parts of the Myth of Prometheus.
  • At least three of the people that Chiron is supposed to have tutored, this making him dead before they were born.
  • My plot.

So, basically, that didn't happen.

Also, a brief potential origin for my Spellsoul Lance: An out of control Erinyeswas taking more vengeance/ vengeance upon the wrong people than some god or other powerful being was willing to put up with. She was captured and bound into a wooden haft that was then made into a lance. Carystus was involved with these events and ended up being charged with holding onto the lance, which retains parts of a personality and powers dedicated to vengeance, and making sure no funny business occurred regarding it.
... So, you're Leaf form Chasing the Sunset. I Like it.



EDIT: Arias, NoNW + Sizing = ??
NoNW?



Eh, timeline's all over the place. I think, from recollection, we barely predate the Trojan War.
... would be utterly hilarious to screw that up if we're still alive when all's said and done.

I would only be moderately surprised if you didn't. But yeah, I'm going to try to figure out amongst all of the different versions of all of the different things what the actual timeline I'm using is and post it all here.
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