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"I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« on: October 02, 2012, 12:41:35 AM »
Does anyone know of a way, whether 3pp, D&D, or Pathfinder, that a gnome barbarian can get a badger animal companion without a) multiclassing, or b) taking feats?

Player saw the 4th Ed video of the gnome barbarian taking on Demogorgon with his badger Francis, and wants that for the Savage Tides campaign. However, he refuses to multiclass into something that gives him an animal companion, and will not take the Wild Cohort feat because he doesn't want to "waste a feat on that".

If the answer is a resounding "No", I want to know that too.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 01:05:24 AM »
I don't think that there is anything.
that being said, I wouldn't exactly call Wild Cohort a "waste" ... :joystick

I'd be inclined to tell him "tough shit".  "a cat for a hat, or a hat for a cat; but nothing for nothing".
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 01:06:09 AM »
Quote from: wotmaniac on October 02, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
I don't think that there is anything.
that being said, I wouldn't exactly call Wild Cohort a "waste" ... :joystick
Nor I, but it's still a feat that he'd rather not spend.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 02:08:47 AM »
Pathfinder has this archetype, not sure if it will be of any help used as written since it requires the animal be one you could ride...
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 02:10:01 AM »
Quote from: StreamOfTheSky on October 02, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
Pathfinder has this archetype, not sure if it will be of any help used as written since it requires the animal be one you could ride...
Yeah I saw that one unfortunately. I just found a shaman archetype, but he wouldn't get the badger until 4th level, and it'd be at druid level -3.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 05:45:00 AM »
Couldn't he just buy a warbeast dire badger?  It wouldn't scale with level, but it would give a cheap, ridable pet. 
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 09:14:40 AM »
Quote from: StreamOfTheSky on October 02, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
Pathfinder has this archetype, not sure if it will be of any help used as written since it requires the animal be one you could ride...
The stats for a boar and dire badger are remarkably similar. I'd say let him use this and pick up a dire badger instead of boar at 8th. I don't see why a boar makes a better mount than a dire badger. They're both medium sized quadrupeds, and I've never heard of anyone riding either in real life...
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 12:40:26 PM »
Dragon 338 has a Barbarian variant called the Horselord, that you have an animal companion at 4th level. despite being called the 'Horselord' it's unclear if its to be restricted to horses only.


basically it makes your previous mount (normal or not) into a ranger-style animal companion.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 01:12:11 PM »
Quote from: linklord231 on October 02, 2012, 05:45:00 AM
Couldn't he just buy a warbeast dire badger?  It wouldn't scale with level, but it would give a cheap, ridable pet.

That's what I was going to suggest.

But the horselord sounds good too.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 01:13:38 PM »
The dire badger would eventually die in battle. Not too many 20th level knights still have the mount they had at 2nd level.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 02:01:51 PM »
Quote from: kevin video on October 02, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
The dire badger would eventually die in battle. Not too many 20th level knights still have the mount they had at 2nd level.

Nor too many Druids, let alone Rangers ;-)
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 07:14:23 PM »
Druidic Avenger from UA / SRD lets you trade your full animal companion for a slightly weaker rage (fewer times per day, no power up at level 11).  So reverse engineer that to let him trade away rage, for a full druid style animal companion.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 07:15:32 PM »
Don't know if he'd go for it.

Just got a news letter from Paizo saying that there's a new book coming out in January. It'll give all classes access to some form of animal companion. I have no idea to what extent it'll go though.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 07:31:07 PM »
I would use horselord as a base model, but I assume he's going to want normal rage vs. the horselord's dex rage. Also since Str rage and a badger mesh well, it makes sense to do this.

If he wants a stronger badger than a horselord would give him, maybe work with him and drop uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge to give him a druid's progression instead of a ranger's
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 01:17:51 AM »
Quote from: kevin video on October 02, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Don't know if he'd go for it.

Just got a news letter from Paizo saying that there's a new book coming out in January. It'll give all classes access to some form of animal companion. I have no idea to what extent it'll go though.

I bet Ranger will still be stuck with their cruddy core list, though!

As Sorc, Cleric, Oracle, and many others who have no business being comparable to him as a "nature lover" continue to get animal companion options that are plainly better...
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 09:37:43 AM »
Quote from: StreamOfTheSky on October 03, 2012, 01:17:51 AM
Quote from: kevin video on October 02, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
Don't know if he'd go for it.

Just got a news letter from Paizo saying that there's a new book coming out in January. It'll give all classes access to some form of animal companion. I have no idea to what extent it'll go though.

I bet Ranger will still be stuck with their cruddy core list, though!

As Sorc, Cleric, Oracle, and many others who have no business being comparable to him as a "nature lover" continue to get animal companion options that are plainly better...
It is completely bass-ackwards to have the ranger's animal companion nerfed while the druid's isn't. The druid gets full casting and wildshape, for Christ's sake!  :shakefist :banghead Oh god... I feel a rant coming on...  :p
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 12:30:08 PM »
Quote from: phaedrusxy on October 03, 2012, 09:37:43 AM
It is completely bass-ackwards to have the ranger's animal companion nerfed while the druid's isn't. The druid gets full casting and wildshape, for Christ's sake!  :shakefist :banghead Oh god... I feel a rant coming on...  :p
At least the druid lost a bit of their "three classes in one" power with Pathfinder.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 12:37:08 AM »
Quote from: Halinn on October 03, 2012, 12:30:08 PM
Quote from: phaedrusxy on October 03, 2012, 09:37:43 AM
It is completely bass-ackwards to have the ranger's animal companion nerfed while the druid's isn't. The druid gets full casting and wildshape, for Christ's sake!  :shakefist :banghead Oh god... I feel a rant coming on...  :p
At least the druid lost a bit of their "three classes in one" power with Pathfinder.

Sadly Wizard got buffed and Cleric came out even.

Druids are still very good, but they did eat it to a degree in every category: Summon Nature's Ally is just plain worse than SM now; the companion is GREATLY nerfed; and wildshape is overall nerfed (less gonzo numbers, but basically get wilding clasps on all continuous magic items for free).  It's a shame, they're by far the most flavorful and interesting of the win casters, but they always seem to catch the most flak.

...And now I'm starting to rant.
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Re: "I'm a Barbarian. Rawr!"
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 08:36:01 AM »
Quote from: StreamOfTheSky on October 04, 2012, 12:37:08 AM
Druids are still very good, but they did eat it to a degree in every category: Summon Nature's Ally is just plain worse than SM now; the companion is GREATLY nerfed; and wildshape is overall nerfed (less gonzo numbers, but basically get wilding clasps on all continuous magic items for free).  It's a shame, they're by far the most flavorful and interesting of the win casters, but they always seem to catch the most flak.
That's because it doesn't take much optimizing to make them really powerful in 3.5, so it's obvious that they're very strong, even to Paizo.
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