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I think we had something going on that would let us take the next class feature as a capstone feat? Or something.

Reminder to people still figuring out a build, characters that single-class the full 6 levels get access to a capstone feat. If your class does not have a capstone feat in the E6 rules, you get to request one. They are usually whatever your class would give at 7 or 8. Factotum for example would usually request Cunning Surge.

Pathfinder content for E6, run it by me first because I generally ignore the contents of this in my normal E6 group.
Original E6 pdf, this one is 100% fair game.

Will have to pass.

Understandable. I'll write you out and leave the door open for your return if you so desire.

Hey I was told there opening in this game?

Yup! Here's the original recruitment page so you can reference the character building rules.

what kind of security guard fails to report a crime they've witnessed/experienced?

One that has been recently traumatized or is under pressure from their employer not to do so, and therefore has to weigh justice & personal closure vs maintaining their ability to provide for themselves or their family.

lvl 4 character or lvl 4 Hexblade

It replaces the "Summon Familiar" ability gained on your 4th level of Hexblade.

That said, arcane resistance is an untyped bonus of 8-9 vs all Spells and SLAs, and Mettle lets you completely negate effects with a save, so those first few levels are definitely not wasted.

If you do take Hexblade, You may need to do some early entry shenanigans to get the 2nd level arcane casting needed for Anima Mage.

Also, if you want Ur-Priest level abuse but arcane, you can use Darklight Wizard.

I haven't checked the type of penalties, but if they are untyped you can stack them, and free-action/constant effects are relatively rare so stacking them to ensure a SoD always lands is good.

Quote from: Endarire on December 16, 2020, 02:48:21 AM

What updates do you have on this system for us at present?

There doesn't seem to be too much interest in the system as a whole, probably too little too late, poor timing, or something.

Also I haven't yet brainstormed a method to address satisfactorily the drastic disparity of values in feats, though it has occurred to me to break complex feats down into simper feats... but even then, a +1 in a skill is not the same thing as a +1 to a stat, nor to a combat metric.

furthermore, even if I do manage to find true equivalencies across the board within game context, the way people play is so varied that the value of the system may be diluted to different degrees based on play styles.

So other than the base concepts above, I don't have much more that I'm ready to share at this point.

do you have any suggestions or insights, by chance?

You seem to have touched on what's likely to be an ongoing struggle with this system. Feats aren't equal, so saying something is "worth a feat" could be a huge range of power. Weapon Focus says +1 to attack with one weapon is worth a feat, but Divine Metamagic (Persist) says that fundamentally altering how spell durations work is worth...a feat. Any atomic building block you use to quantify power within the game is bound to boil down to some sort of arbitrary assignment, since fundamentally the game is split between "things that make numbers go up" and "things that let you use your best numbers for more things"

Even splitting it like that, a single spell level of a cleric gets ACCESS to a stupid amount of spells, many if not most of which are more versatile than a fighter feat that gives you access to a new way to use your grapple check.

CoDZilla builds are the easiest to pull off. Divine Power is SRD after all.

Quit the security job tonight. HR finally got in touch, just to emphatically repeat that company policy is to not pay me for the overtime hours. Note that part of the job description is mandatory overtime, so I can't just turn it down either. Fuck em, security is always hiring, even during a pandemic.

I dont know everything but the dread necromance manceris dread necromancer//marshall, horned harbinger, palladin fo tyrnanny, dread master

The Shifter is a were bear monk/warblade/warshaper natures warrior master of nine

And i was wrong hes not a truenamer, hes wizard 5/malconvoker 9/ paragonstic apostle1/ thaumaturgist 5/master specialsit 5// binder 25

Not sure how much that helps.

Alright, so an army buffer/charisma caster, a natural attack specialist, and a summoner (who is probably your wildcard since summons come with big spell lists).

I'd suggest something that combines all 10 levels of swiftblade and psionics, so you can break action economy over your knee and push those 2 full attacks up to 3 or 4, or at least do multiple moves a the same time. If you can get Daze immunity, Celerity->Haste->Subsume haste for a time stop is a great way to interrupt ANYTHING.

Schism lets you take purely mental actions, and spells cast through it (with silent+still to make them purely mental) don't suffer CL penalties like powers would. You can also use Synchronicity to ready actions to happen as the time stop ends, including things like casting another time stop.

Sounds like you are going to be missing a lot of versatility since Dread Necro and Truenamer are both small-list casters, and unless the Truenamer is abusing the hell out of consumable recovery utterances and skull talismans, he's going to be pretty much useless at epic levels.

The go-to answer IMO is shadowcraft mage stapled to a cleric. You get full divine casting (which means full BAB due to Divine Power), Heavy armor proficiency if you want it (or you can just trade it out to be a cloistered cleric, AC is a trap by that point anyway unless you can jack your touch AC into the stratosphere), and still get spontaneous access to most of the Arcane Evocation/Conjuration list. Also, divine metamagic for all-day buffs from the arcane list. It's a character that can do almost anything, but usually not all at once, so you can just fill in the party gaps and keep the game going when it stalls out.

- Shadowcraft Mages get the ability to emulate conjuration (summoning or creation) and evocation spells by using [figment]-descriptor illusions (which become [shadow]), similar to the shadow conjuration and shadow evocation spells.
- The maximum level of the spell to be emulated is one lower than the level of the illusion used.
- Heighten Spell allows you to increase the effective level of a spell. Silent Image is allowed as one of the base spells for shadowcraft, so you can just heighten it to the correct level for the spell you actually want.
- Earth Spell allows you to Heighten a spell by one more than you normally could, which overcomes the -1 spell level penalty of shadow evocation/conjuration effects.

Used together, a SCM can effectively spontaneously cast anything shadow evocation/conjuration can create, using any spell slot, while also ignoring material and XP components, AND casting long-duration spells in a standard action.

Early entry into SCM using heighten and divine metamagic to get a 4th level shadow spell early from your shadow domain means you have a LOT of wiggle room, with even casual entry being something like Cleric5/SCM10/Another Prc10

If you use Domain Spontaneity you can spontaneously cast your illusions using any of your spell slots, or you can take a single level of Dweomerkeeper and choose Silent Image as your Mantle spell.  DK is MUCH better at it, since DS costs either a turn attempt or a higher spell slot.

Side note: if Dragon Magazine is included in "all 3.5 books", then the War Spells section in #309 has some hilarious options for shadowcraft mages. Stuff like a 25-target/level version of magic missile as a level 2 spell. Normally it costs 600gp in material components, requires a special feat, and takes a full minute to cast, but as a SCM you get to ignore all of that. 1 missile per target is absolute trash in epic, but the SPECTACLE is worth it.