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Title: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 11, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
Thread title jokes are traditional in PbP, right?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 11, 2016, 11:29:26 AM
So, just to confirm, littha is playing a Deathjack?

If so, I'm going to be a neutral evil Death Knight (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5841.0).  As long as we don't have a paladin in the group I should be able to get along with whoever.

Question for the DM: Will there be an issue with me running around with an undead companion?  That's one of my stance options. 

Also, is there anyone in the party that will have a legitimate issue with that?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 11, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
I was planning on going with some neutral alignment already, and I'm playing an anthropomorphic bat so the social stigma is probably different from your standard human derivative fantasy culture. I don't expect to give you much worse than some funny looks.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 11, 2016, 08:24:18 PM
So, just to confirm, littha is playing a Deathjack?

If so, I'm going to be a neutral evil Death Knight (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5841.0).  As long as we don't have a paladin in the group I should be able to get along with whoever.

Question for the DM: Will there be an issue with me running around with an undead companion?  That's one of my stance options. 

Also, is there anyone in the party that will have a legitimate issue with that?
I'm okay with Corpsecrafter stance if the party are, with the obvious caveats (i.e. be sensible about when and when not to use it).

How do you want Point buy stat generation to work with Non-abilities (Con in this case)
32*(5/6)=~=27 points for the other five, I guess. It's rounded up by about a half-point, and being undead has plenty of other benefits.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 13, 2016, 09:07:37 AM
I'll be mostly AFC for a few (~3) days. I can check this thread via phone, but probably won't be posting.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 13, 2016, 09:48:48 AM
How do you want Point buy stat generation to work with Non-abilities (Con in this case)
32*(5/6)=~=27 points for the other five, I guess. It's rounded up by about a half-point, and being undead has plenty of other benefits.

Thanks, will get to writing a character sheet. (Though the Deathjack is a Construct, not undead :D)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 17, 2016, 12:35:26 AM
Anyone have any suggestions on what to buy as a 2nd-level squishy spellcaster type?

Quill, how are you handling languages for this game?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 17, 2016, 09:31:00 AM
Anyone have any suggestions on what to buy as a 2nd-level squishy spellcaster type?


I never have any idea of what to buy at level 2. Currently I have nothing at all because I cant use weapons/armor, have no use for food or camping supplies and can't afford any useful magic. I am sure I can find something novel to spend it on...
 
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 17, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
Are you specifically prohibited from armor, or just not proficient? If it's just a proficiency thing, leather armor has 0 ACP (or masterwork studded leather), and thus has no penalty for nonproficiency. 745 gp can get you +1 AC, +9 max Dex, 0 ACP, 0% ASF leafweave armor from Races of the Wild, which I'd like to get later on, too, although it's too expensive for now.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 17, 2016, 11:36:24 AM
I'll finish up my character sheet shortly. Only thing I'm still faffing about with is feats.

General thoughts are Combat Expertise, Combat Reflexes, Improved Trip for the PC (that leaves one feat slot still open), and Combat Expertise and Improved Trip for the cohort if human.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 17, 2016, 11:51:16 AM
I feel behind, look at my to do list.  :p
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 17, 2016, 06:30:04 PM
I can't remember, is there a ruling somewhere about the devoted spirit healing maneuvers (besides the one that casts the heal spell) being/not being positive energy?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 17, 2016, 07:43:49 PM
I can't remember, is there a ruling somewhere about the devoted spirit healing maneuvers (besides the one that casts the heal spell) being/not being positive energy?

There isn't anything in them about being positive energy. They're not Conjuration (healing). They're not even supernatural.

Edit: Nanshork, if you're going for Corpsecrafter, remember that the stance requires another Restless Bones maneuver as a prerequisite, so you'll need Calcifying Blow, Dislocating Blow, or the Nimble Bones stance in addition.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 18, 2016, 04:31:39 AM
Are you specifically prohibited from armor, or just not proficient?

Both.  :lol

Lack of armor isnt likley to be a massive problem though, my AC should be about 22 or so.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 18, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
I can't remember, is there a ruling somewhere about the devoted spirit healing maneuvers (besides the one that casts the heal spell) being/not being positive energy?

There isn't anything in them about being positive energy. They're not Conjuration (healing). They're not even supernatural.

Edit: Nanshork, if you're going for Corpsecrafter, remember that the stance requires another Restless Bones maneuver as a prerequisite, so you'll need Calcifying Blow, Dislocating Blow, or the Nimble Bones stance in addition.

You and your crazy requirements for a first level stance.   :P


Edit: Amusingly enough, Lesser Aasimar is the only race besides human that is good for my character.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 19, 2016, 12:16:02 PM
I'm back. Will start catching up.



Anyone have any suggestions on what to buy as a 2nd-level squishy spellcaster type?


I never have any idea of what to buy at level 2. Currently I have nothing at all because I cant use weapons/armor, have no use for food or camping supplies and can't afford any useful magic. I am sure I can find something novel to spend it on...
 
Masterwork tools are affordable, I think. From the PHB, you could get a high-quality lock (might be useful, I guess?) a carriage, a fleet of rowboats. Alchemist's fire, if you want to go that route. Rust cubes from Complete Scoundrel can be handy. If you're a spellcaster, buying a scroll of a second level spell from PHBII or CArc will be allowed now and save you some trouble learning the spell later, given the houserules.

Or, leaning more towards interesting over useful, there are trade goods. Saffron, silk, spices. Maybe  Chirop was traveling outside his home village to trade. Why would the Deathjack  have that sort of thing? I don't know, but it might be interesting. Art objects. Art objects could be almost anything. I won't make GP useless in remote planes and places, but it might be handy to have something with more universal value as well.



Quill, how are you handling languages for this game?
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I can't remember, is there a ruling somewhere about the devoted spirit healing maneuvers (besides the one that casts the heal spell) being/not being positive energy?

There isn't anything in them about being positive energy. They're not Conjuration (healing). They're not even supernatural.
Aye.



Edit: Amusingly enough, Lesser Aasimar is the only race besides human that is good for my character.
Why is that?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 19, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
Replace Lesser Aasimar with Lesser Cansin and my earlier race statement applies (I switched from Wis to Int focus with my save requiring maneuvers).  It's just hard to find a race that doesn't screw me over, and starting at low level means I can't avoid taking maneuvers that require a saving throw.

If there is a way to change what stat a discipline uses for saving throws this would be much easier...
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 19, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
Anyone have any suggestions on what to buy as a 2nd-level squishy spellcaster type?

I never have any idea of what to buy at level 2. Currently I have nothing at all because I cant use weapons/armor, have no use for food or camping supplies and can't afford any useful magic. I am sure I can find something novel to spend it on...

Masterwork tools are affordable, I think. From the PHB, you could get a high-quality lock (might be useful, I guess?) a carriage, a fleet of rowboats. Alchemist's fire, if you want to go that route. Rust cubes from Complete Scoundrel can be handy. If you're a spellcaster, buying a scroll of a second level spell from PHBII or CArc will be allowed now and save you some trouble learning the spell later, given the houserules.

How does the whole rare spells thing interact with classes that have access to their whole spell list (like divine spellcasters in core)? I'm playing a Thaumaturge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?86550-Thaumaturge-Base-Class), which works identically to the Spirit Shaman except for the oddity of how it was written such that instead of knowing all the spells and choosing which ones are retrieved each day, it chooses which ones to know (which act just like retrieved spells, including "knowing" them as metamagic-enhanced versions) and doesn't actually know the rest (no actual requirement to find and learn the spells or anything, just pick form the spell list). Among other oddities, this means the Thaumaturge can change whether or not it qualifies for certain feats and PrCs that require knowing a spell (such as the Archmage) on a day-to-day basis.

Replace Lesser Aasimar with Lesser Cansin and my earlier race statement applies (I switched from Wis to Int focus with my save requiring maneuvers).  It's just hard to find a race that doesn't screw me over, and starting at low level means I can't avoid taking maneuvers that require a saving throw.

If there is a way to change what stat a discipline uses for saving throws this would be much easier...

You could go with Calcifying Blow instead of Dislocating Blow for the more reliable +1d6 damage (and a less important save vs. -10 ft. speed) over the save vs. -4 on attack rolls.

Alternatively, you could just wait a few days. This discussion has made me mull over whether Restless Bones maneuvers even should be Int-based, or if Str-based DCs would be more appropriate. Aside from Bone Puppet (which was missing its save DC formula) and Ossifying Blow, the various maneuvers with saves are more about bone-shattering force than about precision or necromantic weeaboo fightan magic. But if you want to talk about that, it would be a discussion better held in the Tomb of Battle thread (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5839.msg306504#msg306504). I've got some very good arguments in favor of changing the ability score for Restless Bones and Frozen Night already.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 19, 2016, 04:09:42 PM
The race discussion is tabled while Garryl and I discuss this in the proper thread.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 19, 2016, 05:06:44 PM
The race discussion is tabled while Garryl and I discuss this in the proper thread.

U still MAD, bro?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 19, 2016, 05:39:07 PM
The race discussion is tabled while Garryl and I discuss this in the proper thread.

U still MAD, bro?

I already made that joke.  :P


Okay, this changes things, I'll have to reconsider my stats and maneuver choices.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 19, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
The race discussion is tabled while Garryl and I discuss this in the proper thread.

U still MAD, bro?

I already made that joke.  :P

That's a "no", then?

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Okay, this changes things, I'll have to reconsider my stats and maneuver choices.

Something absolutely, positively, 110% stupid just occurred to me. If you keep your Charisma mod at +1 or less, Deadly Touch deals 1 damage, so you can guarantee a net gain of 1 hp with Martial Spirit.

On a more serious note, you might not actually need to spend the feat on Martial Spirit. Strat's character looks to have your standard "heal up to 1/2 health" aura, so there's passive, renewable healing for big injuries, and he can get his cohort to casting Cleric spells for downtime healing of the rest. Combine that with Crusader Strike and the disposable bone/meatshield that is a skeleton or zombie from Corpsecrafter, and in-combat healing looks like it should be covered well enough. Plus, you can make Crusader Strike really reliable with Deadly Touch's touch attack, if it's necessary.

Anyone have any suggestions on what to buy as a 2nd-level squishy spellcaster type?

I never have any idea of what to buy at level 2. Currently I have nothing at all because I cant use weapons/armor, have no use for food or camping supplies and can't afford any useful magic. I am sure I can find something novel to spend it on...

Maybe an earthsilk jersey (Races of Stone, pg. 160) if nothing else? For 150 gp, it reduces the damage you take from piercing attacks by 1 (specifically, DR 1/bludgeoning or slashing) until you take a crit from a piercing weapon, after which it rips and needs repairing. Not that impressive, so eh?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 20, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
I think I am going to get rid of Martial Spirit, I was already leaning that way before you posted (I just didn't delete all my maneuvers like I did my stats).

A lot is going to depend on my race (which I still haven't decided) and I'm not sure what to do with my feats.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 20, 2016, 06:07:25 AM
I may end up just carrying around all my wealth as black onyx gems. Being a gemstone it should be a trade good and it seems more in flavour than art.

Probably going to take Deceivingly Innocent Form (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=526.0) for convenience sake. That said, an innocent/humanoid looking version of the deathjack is still going to be terrifying (6-7ft tall completely armored humanoid with glowing green eyes/heart)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 20, 2016, 10:25:24 AM
I've got my race options narrowed down to the following:
Human
Water Orc (The str boost helps me offset the cha hit)
Lesser Aasimar/Lesser Cansin (Cha boost without a penalty to another score)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 20, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
How does the whole rare spells thing interact with classes that have access to their whole spell list (like divine spellcasters in core)? I'm playing a Thaumaturge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?86550-Thaumaturge-Base-Class), which works identically to the Spirit Shaman except for the oddity of how it was written such that instead of knowing all the spells and choosing which ones are retrieved each day, it chooses which ones to know (which act just like retrieved spells, including "knowing" them as metamagic-enhanced versions) and doesn't actually know the rest (no actual requirement to find and learn the spells or anything, just pick form the spell list). Among other oddities, this means the Thaumaturge can change whether or not it qualifies for certain feats and PrCs that require knowing a spell (such as the Archmage) on a day-to-day basis.

That's quite a tricky question. My thought is: you  treat your class spell list as including only core thaumaturge spells by default. You can add non-core thaumaturge spells to your effective class spell list if you have encountered them and studied them briefly (with a difficult spellcraft check, or a scroll/spellbook and a fairly easy spellcraft check).

It's a more complicated answer than I'd like, but I can't think of a way to simplify it without breaking things. If anyone has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 20, 2016, 12:28:27 PM
How does the whole rare spells thing interact with classes that have access to their whole spell list (like divine spellcasters in core)? I'm playing a Thaumaturge (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?86550-Thaumaturge-Base-Class), which works identically to the Spirit Shaman except for the oddity of how it was written such that instead of knowing all the spells and choosing which ones are retrieved each day, it chooses which ones to know (which act just like retrieved spells, including "knowing" them as metamagic-enhanced versions) and doesn't actually know the rest (no actual requirement to find and learn the spells or anything, just pick form the spell list). Among other oddities, this means the Thaumaturge can change whether or not it qualifies for certain feats and PrCs that require knowing a spell (such as the Archmage) on a day-to-day basis.

That's quite a tricky question. My thought is: you  treat your class spell list as including only core thaumaturge spells by default. You can add non-core thaumaturge spells to your effective class spell list if you have encountered them and studied them briefly (with a difficult spellcraft check, or a scroll/spellbook and a fairly easy spellcraft check).

It's a more complicated answer than I'd like, but I can't think of a way to simplify it without breaking things. If anyone has a better idea, I'm open to suggestions.

I'm not overly concerned. I don't have access to much outside of core (no Spell Compendium, etc.), so practical considerations stop me from using those spells anyways. It's more of an academic thing.

Edit: Quill, if Weapon Finesse converts both attack and damage rolls to being Dex-based, would the Weapon Finesse you're not looking for (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2140) (assuming it was allowed) convert attack rolls to being Cha-based alongside damage rolls?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 21, 2016, 11:39:17 AM
It is allowed, but mental abilities are supposed to be harder to get on attack/damage, so I'm ruling that it doesn't.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 22, 2016, 03:42:05 PM
Still stuck on race, I'm putting my notes here so I can stop thinking about it for awhile. 

Human End stats: 18;12;14;8;8;14 - Any bonus feat
Lesser Cansin (+2 Int, +2 Cha) End stats: 18;12;14;10;8;16
Water Orc (+4 str, +2 con, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha) End stats: 20;12;16;8;6;14
Frostblood Orc (+4 str, -2 int, -2 wis, -2 cha) End stats: 20;12;14;8;6;14 - Endurance bonus feat
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 24, 2016, 11:19:57 AM
Okay, done except for gear.  Never expect me to notice anything.  :p
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 24, 2016, 05:26:59 PM
Okay, done except for gear.  Never expect me to notice anything.  :p

Some suggestions (in no particular order)
- Masterwork melee weapon of choice.
- Secondary melee weapon (reach if the primary isn't, or vice-versa).
- Tertiary melee weapon to fill out the damage types in case we fight zombies (slashing) or skeletons (bludgeoning). Do any monsters except Rakshasa have DR/piercing?
- Holdout weapon. Usually a dagger, but you can also get away with armor spikes.
- Backup ranged weapon. Even if you're at -6 on your attack roll compared to your melee attacks, it's still useful to have.
- A sling. Shorter range than a bow or crossbow and, like a crossbow, needs a move action to reload, but adds Str to damage naturally. Also, it's completely free and it's practically impossible to run out of ammunition (rocks are everywhere and only give -1 attack roll and -0.5 damage).
- Armor. I'm guessing banded mail (+6 AC, +1 max Dex, -6 ACP, heavy, 250 gp) since full plate is too expensive at 1500 gp. You don't really have any need for it to be masterwork. You may also want a lighter suit of armor to sleep in (in case of night-time ambush). You have Endurance, so you can sleep in medium armor.
- The standard adventurer's pack that includes everything you need and an 11-foot pole.
- A mule and/or horse to carry you and your stuff.
- A 1 HD animal of some sort to animate with Corpsecrafter.
- Sundark Goggles to remove the dazzling from light sensitivity. I think they're from Races of the Dragon.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 24, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
I made a note to myself about Sundark Goggles so that is definitely happening.  Six weapons are not happening.   :P


That reminds me.  Hey Mr. DM, how would you like me to do my starting undead companion?  Basic Human Warrior skeleton (without gear unless I gear it)?  Buy an animal and make it undead?  Something else?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 24, 2016, 07:00:49 PM
There isn't a lot of homebrew around for low-level magic items, but I've been trying to make a few (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0). You might want a Daunting Helmet or a Dueling Headband if you have cash to spare.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 24, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
I made a note to myself about Sundark Goggles so that is definitely happening.  Six weapons are not happening.   :P


That reminds me.  Hey Mr. DM, how would you like me to do my starting undead companion?  Basic Human Warrior skeleton (without gear unless I gear it)?  Buy an animal and make it undead?  Something else?
Let's say an animal corpse costs a fifth as much as the animal. A human corpse costs, I don't know, 150 gp? You can assume it was a Human Warrior.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 25, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
For those who might be wondering, I'm still around. Just waiting for the character building to finish.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 25, 2016, 05:36:20 PM
Any thoughts on what feats you're taking, Strat? They're still listed as TBD on your sheet.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 25, 2016, 06:04:30 PM
Oh, it's mentioned earlier in the thread. Combat Reflexes and Expertise and Improved Trip. One more to go. I'd probably take power attack but I can't qualify.

Cohort is Expertise and Improved Trip too.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 25, 2016, 06:37:36 PM
Maybe take the Weapon Finesse you're not looking for (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2140) for Cha instead of Str to damage?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 25, 2016, 06:47:52 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 25, 2016, 07:35:10 PM
Maybe take the Weapon Finesse you're not looking for (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2140) for Cha instead of Str to damage?

BAB +0
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 25, 2016, 11:14:09 PM
Maybe take the Weapon Finesse you're not looking for (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2140) for Cha instead of Str to damage?

BAB +0

Right, feat at 1st level, so even though you have the BAB now it's a level too late.

How are you getting Combat Expertise, though? It requires 13 Int. I'm not really sure why you're taking only 10 Str if you're going for improved trip. Are you going to reliably enough make those opposed Strength checks?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 26, 2016, 07:36:38 AM
Sigh. For some reason my brain skipped over that one. And the reason feats are listed as TBD is there don't seem to be that many good choices for the Commander, since it's a homebrew Marshal class. So time to invent some. Quill, please note that I don't meet the prereqs for all of these feats (I do for some), I just had fun inventing them.

Focused Choice
Prerequisites: Aptitude Focus ability
Benefit: You increase the bonuses granted by a single aptitude focus by +2.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Each time it applies to a different aptitude focus.

Commander's Will
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: You increase your aura bonus for your auras by +1

By My Guiding Hand
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: Allies who are adjacent to one another and under the effect of an aura you have created gain a +1 bonus to AC. Should you be adjacent to an ally, you do not gain the bonus, but they do. Allies who are flat-footed do not gain the benefits, and do not count as adjacent. Alternately, as a swift action you may choose to change the benefits from this to a +1 bonus to attack, losing the +1 bonus to AC for one round. All conditions still apply.

Coordinator
Prerequisites: Warcraft 4
Benefit: When a leader uses the Coordinate Allies feature of warcraft, affected allies gain 3 teamwork benefits, instead of 1.

Presence of Command
Prerequisites: Warcraft 4
Benefit: When a leader uses the Commanding Presence feature of warcraft, the auras it provide last for one hour.

In The Thick of It
Prerequisites: Warcraft 4
Benefit: When a leader uses the Lead from the Front feature of warcraft, the bonuses increase by +2.

Presence of Command
Prerequisites: Warcraft 4
Benefit: When a leader uses the Lead from the Rear feature of warcraft, all allies within 30 ft do not generate attacks of opportunity from movement.

Overwatch
Prerequisites: BAB +1, proficiency with a ranged weapon
Benefit: You may ready an action to shoot the next foe who attacks an ally in melee combat. If you do and then successfully hit that foe, the foe takes a -4 penalty on all attack rolls made against the protected ally.

Ability Upon Command
Prerequisites: Ability Boon ability
Benefit: You increase the ability bonus granted by your class feature by +2.

For Quill, is the Warcraft (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=16857.0) skill acceptable? The Commander would have it as a class skill if so.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 26, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?

I am sure we can source a humanoid corpse pretty sharpish.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 26, 2016, 04:51:04 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?

I am sure we can source a humanoid corpse pretty sharpish.

I want to start with one, not for strategic purposes but for a joke that will develop over time.  That's why I'm asking about getting a piece of junk skeleton for free.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on May 26, 2016, 05:05:38 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?

I am sure we can source a humanoid corpse pretty sharpish.

I want to start with one, not for strategic purposes but for a joke that will develop over time.  That's why I'm asking about getting a piece of junk skeleton for free.

Well you can't have Bob. He's mine. Even if he is a 1st level Commoner.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 26, 2016, 05:29:05 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?

I am sure we can source a humanoid corpse pretty sharpish.

I want to start with one, not for strategic purposes but for a joke that will develop over time.  That's why I'm asking about getting a piece of junk skeleton for free.

Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio. Still do. Say "hi", Yorick.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 26, 2016, 05:31:36 PM
What if I want a junky 1 HD humanoid skeleton that I can get for free?  Is that a thing I can do?  What would you allow for free?
You seem to have money to spare, but if it has to be free, pick an animal common enough that you could just have gone and killed one for the necromancy without too much trouble. You're right that a skeleton should be much cheaper than an intact corpse, though; maybe 1/3 as much?

 I don't think humanoid corpses should be too easy to come by (a skeleton costs several thousand IRL), but if you need 900 gp of gear and a skeleton to make your build and concept work it's not a big deal.

Note that WBL is an abstraction, and the cost doesn't necessarily mean you bought the corpse; it just means you have that much less starting money, to balance out the fact that you have a free corpse.



Sigh. For some reason my brain skipped over that one. And the reason feats are listed as TBD is there don't seem to be that many good choices for the Commander, since it's a homebrew Marshal class. So time to invent some. Quill, please note that I don't meet the prereqs for all of these feats (I do for some), I just had fun inventing them.

Focused Choice
Prerequisites: Aptitude Focus ability
Benefit: You increase the bonuses granted by a single aptitude focus by +2.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Each time it applies to a different aptitude focus.
This is much better on some focuses than others, enough so to be maybe a problem. Also, it should clarify that it, for example, increases the combat focus's +3 hp per level to (+3 per level and +2 once), not (+5 per level).

Commander's Will
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: You increase your aura bonus for your auras by +1

By My Guiding Hand
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: Allies who are adjacent to one another and under the effect of an aura you have created gain a +1 bonus to AC. Should you be adjacent to an ally, you do not gain the bonus, but they do. Allies who are flat-footed do not gain the benefits, and do not count as adjacent. Alternately, as a swift action you may choose to change the benefits from this to a +1 bonus to attack, losing the +1 bonus to AC for one round. All conditions still apply.
These look reasonable.

For Quill, is the Warcraft (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=16857.0) skill acceptable? The Commander would have it as a class skill if so.
I'd rather not.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 26, 2016, 05:50:46 PM
The joke isn't worth spending money on so if I have to spend money to get a skeleton then it's not worth it for what I want it for currently.  Also, given the nature of my character I would assume grave-robbing would be my corpse acquisition process if just killing someone and reanimating them is out of the question.  Why pay for a body when people just leave them laying about?  :P

(Yes, I know you already mentioned WBL being an abstraction.  I'm not complaining, just being difficult because now my joke will take longer to happen.  :p)

My brain is now stuck on the joke so I'll probably pass on the animal even if it would make sense logically. 
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 27, 2016, 03:57:59 PM
I totally didn't steal Nanshork's character sheet layout. Not one bit.

On a side note, I was hoping that I could use Craft checks to heal myself (the way warforged do) because if not I will be unable to regain HP without someone bringing repair spells until level 3. I may just invest in a wand of light repair (provided someone can use it)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on May 27, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
My character sheet layout is available for all to use!  It makes me happy seeing someone else use it.  :)

It looks like you're working from my post, there's a template in my signature if you'd rather work from that.  If nothing else it has all of the skills listed.

(Psst, your stats and skills spoilers need some formatting work.)


Edit: If you didn't notice, the stats, combat, and skills sections are all preformatted text.  You can adjust the spacing and have it actually matter, but it means that you have to fiddle with it to make it line up nicely.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on May 27, 2016, 04:32:03 PM
I totally didn't steal Nanshork's character sheet layout. Not one bit.

On a side note, I was hoping that I could use Craft checks to heal myself (the way warforged do)
You can do that. Also, the party has some Devoted Spirit healing, which isn't positive energy based, and thus will work on a construct.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 27, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
I totally didn't steal Nanshork's character sheet layout. Not one bit.

On a side note, I was hoping that I could use Craft checks to heal myself (the way warforged do) because if not I will be unable to regain HP without someone bringing repair spells until level 3. I may just invest in a wand of light repair (provided someone can use it)

I'm kinda surprised the Deathjack doesn't get that Warforged self-repair, too. The lack of any self-sustaining capabilities until 3rd level feels like an oversight to me when you consider that the Deathjack as a monster class is supposed to be played by a player for an extended period of time, not just thrown into an encounter and trounced once.

Stratovarius has a vigor aura (fast healing 2 up to 1/2 max hp), and Nanshork has Crusader's Strike for in-combat healing. Stratovarius also basically gets a Chameleon as a minion, so you can get repair spells on downtime days if needed. If you don't get ruled to have it, it's not the end of the world, at least. I do agree that some form of self-repair in downtime would be appropriate.

Speaking of repair from skills, doesn't a total lack of class skills mean you're limited to 1/2 the normal maximum ranks, too, in addition to spending double points? I can never remember what global rules Oslecamo-style monster classes get, and if there's something in there that changes it.

Edit: Oh, hey, on an unrelated topic, does anybody know of any nocturnal mounts I might be able to make use of?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on May 27, 2016, 09:03:28 PM
Speaking of repair from skills, doesn't a total lack of class skills mean you're limited to 1/2 the normal maximum ranks, too, in addition to spending double points? I can never remember what global rules Oslecamo-style monster classes get, and if there's something in there that changes it.

Edit: Oh, hey, on an unrelated topic, does anybody know of any nocturnal mounts I might be able to make use of?

I cant believe I forgot something that basic, this is the fist character I have actually built in over a year though so I suppose that makes sense...


Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on May 29, 2016, 01:16:45 AM
I'm done. I may or may not have spent too much time fiddling with equipment. Although if anybody can think of any nocturnal mounts or other horse equivalents that an anthropomorphic bat would ride, I'll probably buy one of those for travel, too.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 01, 2016, 01:11:26 PM
I give up, I'll spend 50gp on a skeleton.  Default Orc Warrior listed in the SRD turned into a skeleton (I'm an orc so it seemed most appropriate.)

Edit: Minion hp, average?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 02, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
Sigh. For some reason my brain skipped over that one. And the reason feats are listed as TBD is there don't seem to be that many good choices for the Commander, since it's a homebrew Marshal class. So time to invent some. Quill, please note that I don't meet the prereqs for all of these feats (I do for some), I just had fun inventing them.

Focused Choice
Prerequisites: Aptitude Focus ability
Benefit: You increase the bonuses granted by a single aptitude focus by +2.
Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Each time it applies to a different aptitude focus.
This is much better on some focuses than others, enough so to be maybe a problem. Also, it should clarify that it, for example, increases the combat focus's +3 hp per level to (+3 per level and +2 once), not (+5 per level).

Wasn't meant to apply to hit points at all. I'll note that.

Commander's Will
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: You increase your aura bonus for your auras by +1

By My Guiding Hand
Prerequisites: Commander, Marshal, Dragon Shaman, Overlord, or similar aura ability
Benefit: Allies who are adjacent to one another and under the effect of an aura you have created gain a +1 bonus to AC. Should you be adjacent to an ally, you do not gain the bonus, but they do. Allies who are flat-footed do not gain the benefits, and do not count as adjacent. Alternately, as a swift action you may choose to change the benefits from this to a +1 bonus to attack, losing the +1 bonus to AC for one round. All conditions still apply.
These look reasonable.

Given this, I'll probably be taking each of the listed feats (Aptitude Focus (Combat), By My Guiding Hand, Commander's Will) and PBS. I'll also switch the masterwork from the guisarme to the light xbow. I'll definitely be leading from the rear :P

Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 02, 2016, 10:49:19 AM
I give up, I'll spend 50gp on a skeleton.  Default Orc Warrior listed in the SRD turned into a skeleton (I'm an orc so it seemed most appropriate.)

Edit: Minion hp, average?
Average, yes.
I wasn't going to tell you this, but I suppose I may as well: even before you decided to play a death knight, I had an adventure planned involving a graveyard; if you decide not to buy a skeleton, you probably won't have to wait too long to find one, for what it's worth. Really, y'all's character concepts are remarkably well suited to certain aspects of this campaign.



Solo hasn't posted in the subforum yet, but I think he's still around. Dr_Emperor said "I'm going on a honeymoon this week and next", and has indeed been gone about that long.
I'm thinking I'll start an IC thread when the four of you currently present have finished characters (character sheets look good; a short background/description section would be helpful, though, if you have the time and inclination), and the other two can be introduced later.



Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 02, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
I give up, I'll spend 50gp on a skeleton.  Default Orc Warrior listed in the SRD turned into a skeleton (I'm an orc so it seemed most appropriate.)

Edit: Minion hp, average?
Average, yes.
I wasn't going to tell you this, but I suppose I may as well: even before you decided to play a death knight, I had an adventure planned involving a graveyard; if you decide not to buy a skeleton, you probably won't have to wait too long to find one, for what it's worth. Really, y'all's character concepts are remarkably well suited to certain aspects of this campaign.

Can do.  It's okay, I was honestly running out of things to spend money on.  It'll work out just fine this way.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 02, 2016, 05:09:06 PM
Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P

Updated HD, switched xbow to masterwork, added feats. Just need to do Bob's feats.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 02, 2016, 05:12:11 PM
So, background (while I try to figure out how to spend the rest of my money).  I feel like the deathbot and I should be traveling companions pre-campaign.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 02, 2016, 06:23:24 PM
Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P
I'm fairly confident Welsh names can be pronounced, in theory. Tr'bon, however... As an English speaker, I have a hard time not turning [tɹ] into [tʃɹ], but I can do it if I try, but I'm not sure that [ɹ?b] is even possible.
Presumably the spelling doesn't actually match the pronunciation.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 02, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P
I'm fairly confident Welsh names can be pronounced, in theory. Tr'bon, however... As an English speaker, I have a hard time not turning [tɹ] into [tʃɹ], but I can do it if I try, but I'm not sure that [ɹ?b] is even possible.
Presumably the spelling doesn't actually match the pronunciation.

Not quite. I've never really tried to, since it's always been an RPG name for me.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 03, 2016, 12:44:51 AM
Huh, looks like I'm the only person in the party who didn't take Inattentive. Go go +17 Spot/Listen... and darkvision, and low-light vision, and blindsense. Sensory powers ahoy!

Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P
I'm fairly confident Welsh names can be pronounced, in theory. Tr'bon, however... As an English speaker, I have a hard time not turning [tɹ] into [tʃɹ], but I can do it if I try, but I'm not sure that [ɹ?b] is even possible.
Presumably the spelling doesn't actually match the pronunciation.

I'm mentally pronouncing it like "tear bond" (minus the 'd'). Is this accurate at all? Probably not. Does it matter? Also probably not.

So, background (while I try to figure out how to spend the rest of my money).  I feel like the deathbot and I should be traveling companions pre-campaign.

A Dueling Headband (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0), maybe, if you want some reusable magic with that last bit of cash and to make some use of your Intimidate ranks? I'm assuming you've already skipped past the idea of any potions or other consumables. And of course there's the bit of cash reserved for miscellaneous traveling supplies and liquidity.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 03, 2016, 03:52:29 AM
So, background (while I try to figure out how to spend the rest of my money).  I feel like the deathbot and I should be traveling companions pre-campaign.

Sounds like a plan. :D
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 03, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
I will probably be unusually busy for the next week. I'll still check this thread, but may be slow to reply.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 03, 2016, 10:16:49 AM
So, background (while I try to figure out how to spend the rest of my money).  I feel like the deathbot and I should be traveling companions pre-campaign.

Sounds like a plan. :D

So, do you have any ideas as to your background?  :p



@Garryl: I'll look at your low cost items and see if anything grabs me.  I might end up just buying my skeleton and weapon and saving the rest.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 03, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
So, background (while I try to figure out how to spend the rest of my money).  I feel like the deathbot and I should be traveling companions pre-campaign.

Sounds like a plan. :D

So, do you have any ideas as to your background?  :p

Mostly I have some ideas about the Deathjack's initial construction in a mad wizard/scientist type lab somewhere. Once complete it breaks free, ignites its soul furnice using its creator and wanders off into the world to find more souls to burn. Beyond that I dont have anything solid.
I need some reason for its current attitude that murdering everything in sight is probably too high profile for the moment. Any input on that would be welcome.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 03, 2016, 12:48:29 PM
Meeting up with Hrothgar probably could have helped with the attitude change.  He tries to be subtle with his undead companion, although his definition of subtle is a little skewed given his mental stats. 


Just spitballing: Hrothgar grew up somewhere kind of like The Mournland (http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mournland).  Because of this he's always had an affinity for death but didn't have the mental ability to become a necromancer.  Instead he learned to channel his affinity in a different direction (thus the class).  Probably got kicked out of his tribe, ran into deathbot, and thought he was really damn cool.  Tried to teach deathbot how to interact with normal society (which means that deathbot probably has a weird idea of what normal society is), and because deathbots dearest and closest friend (at least in Hrothgar's head).  Since Hrothgar was probably kicked out of his tribe for his abilities he can relate first hand experience about why you should keep things low-key and not murder everything.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 03, 2016, 01:47:56 PM
Sounds solid enough, somewhere like the Mournland is certainly where I would set up an unholy construct/steam/necromancy workshop if I was a maniacal wizard too.

My main push with character development at the moment is the concept of identity as a constructed being. It has given itself a name (Librum Necra) taken from the books used to create it (The Librum Mekanecrus and the Katadesmos Necra). Its humanoid form is female-ish but it doesn't really have any sort of gender identity to speak of and will answer to he/she/it/AAARGH

I may change the name, the way I have it set up the first part is latin and the second greek which bugs me even if it makes logical sense but I may also stick with it because the character doesn't speak anything but common and has no concept of what the words mean anyway. (The Librum (Latin) Mekanecrus (bad Greek) falls into this too annoyingly but is the cannon name of the book used to create the Deathjack in the Iron Kingdoms)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 04, 2016, 09:44:14 AM
Huh, looks like I'm the only person in the party who didn't take Inattentive. Go go +17 Spot/Listen... and darkvision, and low-light vision, and blindsense. Sensory powers ahoy!

You're our eyes and ears. Because I'll be too busy politely chatting to people to notice anyone around me.

Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P
I'm fairly confident Welsh names can be pronounced, in theory. Tr'bon, however... As an English speaker, I have a hard time not turning [tɹ] into [tʃɹ], but I can do it if I try, but I'm not sure that [ɹ?b] is even possible.
Presumably the spelling doesn't actually match the pronunciation.

I'm mentally pronouncing it like "tear bond" (minus the 'd'). Is this accurate at all? Probably not. Does it matter? Also probably not.

I tend to think of him as "Treh" "Bonn", but I always end up anglicizing names I create.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 04, 2016, 10:08:41 AM
Huh, looks like I'm the only person in the party who didn't take Inattentive. Go go +17 Spot/Listen... and darkvision, and low-light vision, and blindsense. Sensory powers ahoy!

You're our eyes and ears. Because I'll be too busy politely chatting to people to notice anyone around me.

This bat's going to start mocking people for "being blind as a human", won't I?

Quote
Tr'Bon's (I can't pronounce that!) HP doesn't reflect the maximized level 1 HD, by the way.

Just be thankful I didn't use Welsh. Ymerawdwyr is the first name of one of my characters who did. Don't ask me how to pronounce it either :P
I'm fairly confident Welsh names can be pronounced, in theory. Tr'bon, however... As an English speaker, I have a hard time not turning [tɹ] into [tʃɹ], but I can do it if I try, but I'm not sure that [ɹ?b] is even possible.
Presumably the spelling doesn't actually match the pronunciation.

I'm mentally pronouncing it like "tear bond" (minus the 'd'). Is this accurate at all? Probably not. Does it matter? Also probably not.

I tend to think of him as "Treh" "Bonn", but I always end up anglicizing names I create.

Sounds more like franicsization (or whatever the French equivalent of anglicization is). "Très bon" means "very good" in French.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 04, 2016, 10:56:56 AM
This bat's going to start mocking people for "being blind as a human", won't I?


I'm not sure most of us are human, but I'm certainly a fairly blind one.

Sounds more like franicsization (or whatever the French equivalent of anglicization is). "Très bon" means "very good" in French.

Ugh, no. That was certainly not intentional. I do not want to sound like a frog ribbiting :P
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 04, 2016, 11:41:18 AM
This bat's going to start mocking people for "being blind as a human", won't I?


I'm not sure most of us are human, but I'm certainly a fairly blind one.

Human: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Elf: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Orc: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.

What's the difference?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 04, 2016, 12:25:39 PM
Orcs are bigger.  :P

Also, I have fur other places.   :smirk
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 04, 2016, 02:33:18 PM
Human: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Elf: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Orc: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Deathjack: Two legs, no wings, no fur, covered in blades, green smoke.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 04, 2016, 03:41:22 PM
Just gave Bob Power Attack and Combat Reflexes. Wasn't feeling inventive.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 04, 2016, 08:23:28 PM
Human: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Elf: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Orc: Two legs, no wings, only have fur on your head.
Deathjack: Two legs, no wings, no fur, covered in blades, green smoke.

 :lol
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 06, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
Just spitballing: Hrothgar grew up somewhere kind of like The Mournland (http://eberron.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mournland).  Because of this he's always had an affinity for death but didn't have the mental ability to become a necromancer.
Sounds solid enough, somewhere like the Mournland is certainly where I would set up an unholy construct/steam/necromancy workshop if I was a maniacal wizard too.
Some of the negative planes might work for that. (They all have a few less or non-negative aligned regions.) I'm working on descriptions of them.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 06, 2016, 01:01:29 PM
For backstory, would having Tr'bon be an ex-low level officer (lieutenant, sergeant) be appropriate? It'd make it easy to explain why he's a decent leader, and where Bob came from.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 06, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
I don't see why not.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 06, 2016, 01:42:07 PM
Chirop's out and about researching his thesis on the sounds of magic. I don't really have any backstory beyond that, but it's a good excuse for him to be traveling from whichever point A to whichever point B. Maybe he's going to a major magical center to get access to a wide range of mainstream magical practitioners, or maybe he's seeking out some back woods hedge mage who's supposed to know some obscure spell or magical technique that needs audio recording for SCIENCE!

And then he's going to run into Hrothgar and Necra at some point.
- With Hrothgar, there's this whole obscure form of blade magic that has so little proper research and documentation about. The interaction between the magical energies and the steel itself singing as it swings... How much of a difference is there when you use a sword versus an axe? How about a scythe? What about a staff? Metal-shod vs. pure wood? Ooh, you've got a blade spell that makes ice? We must record this under varying conditions. The frost alone will have its own sound pattern!
- To Necra: "How would you describe the sizzle of that soul-burning engine? Is it more of a 'sizzle-pop' or a 'waagh eternalagonyandutlimatedespair'? My ears are excellent, but there's an entirely different acoustic situation for an outside observer compared to you yourself with it happening inside your own body. And be honest, this is for posterity."

Well, that was fun to write.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 06, 2016, 01:53:51 PM
Quill, which negative plane would be most appropriate for a mad scientist/necromancer as well as having an orc tribe?

Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 06, 2016, 07:30:22 PM
- To Necra: "How would you describe the sizzle of that soul-burning engine? Is it more of a 'sizzle-pop' or a 'waagh eternalagonyandutlimatedespair'? My ears are excellent, but there's an entirely different acoustic situation for an outside observer compared to you yourself with it happening inside your own body. And be honest, this is for posterity."
Think steam engine with the slightest hint of brief but unimaginable agony. Though only shortly after consuming a soul, most of the time its just a low rumble.

One plus side: if a deathjack kills someone you can be fairly certain they aren't coming back, having your soul consumed makes you difficult to resurrect.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 07, 2016, 09:13:29 AM
For backstory, would having Tr'bon be an ex-low level officer (lieutenant, sergeant) be appropriate? It'd make it easy to explain why he's a decent leader, and where Bob came from.

Done.

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Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 07, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
Quill, which negative plane would be most appropriate for a mad scientist/necromancer as well as having an orc tribe?
I'm gradually editing descriptions of them into the World thread. Ukrolus, Yrst, Itanat, and Reyennon are up; see what you think.



I may end up just carrying around all my wealth as black onyx gems. Being a gemstone it should be a trade good and it seems more in flavour than art.
I have a thought:

Katadesmos Necra
This arcane tome discusses the theory of necromancy and the use of negative energy with a slightly disturbing degree of detail and enthusiasm, but it's author's scholarship was impeccable. It grants a bonus on knowledge checks related to its topic as a masterwork tool, and also contains detailed notes on two uncommon spells, although you aren't an arcanist yourself and have thus been unable to decipher their effects.
225 gp



For backstory, would having Tr'bon be an ex-low level officer (lieutenant, sergeant) be appropriate? It'd make it easy to explain why he's a decent leader, and where Bob came from.

Done.

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Looks good. Did you have a region in mind? Looking over the map, the only war I've written into the setting yet is between Eldheim and Langt, but that's not exclusive, of course. People fight everywhere, especially in a world like this.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Dr_emperor on June 07, 2016, 11:51:12 AM
hi sorry i disapeared can I still play?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 07, 2016, 11:54:15 AM
I didn't, most because the region details still seemed a little WIP. But if that's a good place to come from and it had humans, sign me up.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on June 08, 2016, 06:14:15 AM
I may end up just carrying around all my wealth as black onyx gems. Being a gemstone it should be a trade good and it seems more in flavour than art.
I have a thought:

Katadesmos Necra
This arcane tome discusses the theory of necromancy and the use of negative energy with a slightly disturbing degree of detail and enthusiasm, but it's author's scholarship was impeccable. It grants a bonus on knowledge checks related to its topic as a masterwork tool, and also contains detailed notes on two uncommon spells, although you aren't an arcanist yourself and have thus been unable to decipher their effects.
225 gp

That looks like good fun and its probably better than carrying all that onyx around.
:D
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 08, 2016, 01:14:28 PM
I may end up just carrying around all my wealth as black onyx gems. Being a gemstone it should be a trade good and it seems more in flavour than art.
I have a thought:

Katadesmos Necra
This arcane tome discusses the theory of necromancy and the use of negative energy with a slightly disturbing degree of detail and enthusiasm, but it's author's scholarship was impeccable. It grants a bonus on knowledge checks related to its topic as a masterwork tool, and also contains detailed notes on two uncommon spells, although you aren't an arcanist yourself and have thus been unable to decipher their effects.
225 gp

That looks like good fun and its probably better than carrying all that onyx around.
:D

Cheap magic items (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0)! Get your cheap magic items! Guaranteed 100% quality at only 70% cost! Perfectly legitimate, they're store surplus that fell off the back of a cart. Take a gander at this one. Part hookah, part coffee maker, and it makes julienne fries. It will not break! *crash* It broke.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 08, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
hi sorry i disapeared can I still play?
I don't see why not. I intend to start the campaign thread once the first four characters are ready, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem for you to to join slightly later once your character is done.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 08, 2016, 02:52:20 PM
Cheap magic items (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0)! Get you cheap magic items! Guaranteed 100% quality at only 70% cost! Perfectly legitimate, they're store surplus that fell off the back of a cart. Take a gander at this one. Part hookah, part coffee maker, and it makes julienne fries. It will not break! *crash* It broke.

Really thinking about swapping out the Mwk Xbow and 30 bolts for that case of bolts you've got. It'd be handy and otherwise almost no change to my character sheet.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 08, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
Cheap magic items (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0)! Get you cheap magic items! Guaranteed 100% quality at only 70% cost! Perfectly legitimate, they're store surplus that fell off the back of a cart. Take a gander at this one. Part hookah, part coffee maker, and it makes julienne fries. It will not break! *crash* It broke.

Really thinking about swapping out the Mwk Xbow and 30 bolts for that case of bolts you've got. It'd be handy and otherwise almost no change to my character sheet.

Speaking of bolts, you've got 54 gp more than you think you do. Crossbow bolts cost only 1 gp per 10, not each.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 08, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
Cheap magic items (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=17298.0)! Get you cheap magic items! Guaranteed 100% quality at only 70% cost! Perfectly legitimate, they're store surplus that fell off the back of a cart. Take a gander at this one. Part hookah, part coffee maker, and it makes julienne fries. It will not break! *crash* It broke.

Really thinking about swapping out the Mwk Xbow and 30 bolts for that case of bolts you've got. It'd be handy and otherwise almost no change to my character sheet.

Speaking of bolts, you've got 54 gp more than you think you do. Crossbow bolts cost only 1 gp per 10, not each.

Grabbed it from someone else's sheet, and that's what I get. I'll sort it.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 08, 2016, 05:03:30 PM
I think that I'm done except for backstory.  No gear really excites me.

Oh, I assume that I need to buy clothes for my skeleton if I want him in more than rags?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 15, 2016, 06:50:38 PM
I think that I'm done except for backstory.  No gear really excites me.

Oh, I assume that I need to buy clothes for my skeleton if I want him in more than rags?

Hey Quill!
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 16, 2016, 09:53:35 AM
I think that I'm done except for backstory.  No gear really excites me.

Oh, I assume that I need to buy clothes for my skeleton if I want him in more than rags?

Hey Quill!
A peasant's outfit costs a mere 1 sp., which you might as well round down to nothing, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise, yes.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 16, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
Done except for backstory, still haven't figured out which negative energy plane is most appropriate for deathbot and I.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 17, 2016, 07:33:38 PM
Done except for backstory, still haven't figured out which negative energy plane is most appropriate for deathbot and I.
I'm having some trouble writing up the last three, but I think I'll recommend Itanat; the plane's trait (evaporating memory) has a certain conceptual similarity to the Deathjack's furnace (burning souls). It's not exactly easy for the living to settle there, but it's not unknown (as with all the negative planes, really).They have to be careful to keep their settlements in the fog, either staying near a well, or maybe keeping a lot of (int 2) livestock, and it's not perfect protection, but it works. On the upside, Itanat has less undead inhabitants than most of the negative planes, and is safer in that regard.
Something to think about, possibly: where did Hrothgar learn the way of the Death Knight? Generally, you learn a martial discipline from a master of it.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 17, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
My initial thought was that I learned to harness the negative energy of the plane itself.  Or I was corrupted by it, something like that.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 20, 2016, 11:19:39 AM
Rough backstory idea (if you'd prefer a more standard way to learning my class abilities I can change it):

Hrothgar's tribe had been striving to make a living on Itanat for as long as anyone could remember, but unfortunately that didn't mean much.  As he grew, it became clear that Hrothgar was stronger and hardier than his peers and seemed more adapted to living in the harsh environment.  The fog had just as much of an affect on him as the other orcs, but Hrothgar recovered from it quickly as long as he wasn't away from it for too long. 

Unfortunately for the rest of the tribe, Hrothgar's differences were more than they realized.  It was as if he had been infused with the nature of the plane.  He practiced in secret, learning how to channel the powers of death through his attacks.  He also learned that he could heal, although even his healing was a bit necromantic as he had to strike a foe and channel that life force into a friend.

When his abilities were discovered, Hrothgar was confronted by his friend Gork.  After a brief scuffle Gork was dead although Hrothgar had only touched him.  Knowing that he had to do something, Hrothgar used all of his concentration trying to bring his friend back.  And he did, as an undead creature.  With all of the witnesses Hrothgar had no choice but to flee with Gork in tow.

They wandered together through the fog, keeping to the safest areas until Hrothgar found Necra and became fascinated.  Here was a being fueled by death even more than Hrothgar was!  With Necra and Gork as his best friends, no one could stop them!
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 22, 2016, 06:29:32 PM
The way it works is that your memories evaporate faster when you're not in the fog, and slower when there's enough of it around, rather than vice-versa. Other than that, it all seems fine.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on June 22, 2016, 06:36:17 PM
The way it works is that your memories evaporate faster when you're not in the fog, and slower when there's enough of it around, rather than vice-versa. Other than that, it all seems fine.

I knew that.   :facepalm

Fixed the backstory and also edited it into my sheet.  Hrothgar is good to go.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on June 29, 2016, 06:34:49 AM
Alright, lets get this show on the road  :poke
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on June 30, 2016, 10:54:51 AM
I'll post the IC thread this weekend.

Edit: apparently I'll be busy the whole weekend, actually - wish I'd known that a few hours ago. Will post IC thread probably Monday, maybe Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on June 30, 2016, 01:45:23 PM
No biggie. There's a decent chance I'll be away for the weekend, too, depending on the weather.

Have a good weekend, Quill.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 05, 2016, 10:20:14 PM
I know it's a little late, but looking at the party I get the impression I should have brought a class from my necromantic magic system. Overlord, anyone? :D

Don't worry, not actually gong through the effort of changing.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on July 06, 2016, 03:43:27 AM
Its probably best if not everyone is using necromancy effects. We would be royally screwed if we had to fight constructs or something :D
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 06:41:36 AM
Its probably best if not everyone is using necromancy effects. We would be royally screwed if we had to fight constructs or something :D

I'd, umm... turn them? :P
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on July 06, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
Sorry about the delay; yesterday didn't go very well. IC thread should be up in a few hours.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 09:52:12 AM
Sorry about the delay; yesterday didn't go very well. IC thread should be up in a few hours.

Not a problem. None of us play PbP for the speed ;)
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on July 06, 2016, 10:56:36 AM
And we begin.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 11:11:20 AM
And we begin.

Might want to sticky it :)

And Karlat says hello. I'm assuming he knows Chirop after a long boat ride together, seemed easier.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on July 06, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
I apologize in advance for playing a crazy person without warning anyone.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 12:18:42 PM
I apologize in advance for playing a crazy person without warning anyone.

You're a Death Knight Orc with an undead buddy - even in D&D, these are not traits that are generally used by the stable characters :P
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on July 06, 2016, 01:57:11 PM
Strat, is it supposed to be Cwalu (w) or Cvalu (v)? You have it spelled with a 'v' in the character sheet, and a 'w' in your IC post.

I'm assuming we've been traveling together or otherwise known for a bit before the riverboat, especially if your first though is to go to Chirop instead of the boat's crew or captain.

I apologize in advance for playing a crazy person without warning anyone.

And this is a problem because...?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 03:11:57 PM
Cwalu. I was being indecisive. And same, since it just makes it easier to get things started, instead of trying to figure out how to get to know one another while exploring.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on July 06, 2016, 03:14:25 PM
And this is a problem because...?

Because you might all not know me well enough to believe that I can pull it off without being destructive.  :p
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 03:58:25 PM
Going to get the stat block for Cwalu + Combat Focus up later today, since he's permanently under the effect unless otherwise stated. Unless anyone has a better idea, his lone maneuver will be Leading the Attack (https://dndtools.net/spells/tome-of-battle-the-book-of-nine-swords--88/leading-attack--3760/) from White Raven.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on July 06, 2016, 04:21:20 PM
I apologize in advance for playing a crazy person without warning anyone.

To be fair I am going for Large Ham (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LargeHam)/Blue and Orange Morality (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality) myself.
Necra doesn't really have a conscience as such but she does listen to Hrothgar and understands that a murderous rampage would endanger them both.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 06, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
Going to get the stat block for Cwalu + Combat Focus up later today, since he's permanently under the effect unless otherwise stated. Unless anyone has a better idea, his lone maneuver will be Leading the Attack (https://dndtools.net/spells/tome-of-battle-the-book-of-nine-swords--88/leading-attack--3760/) from White Raven.

Done this. Cwalu in his "natural" state is now visible. Also, for other players (Chirop only currently), remember that Karlat is permanently running an aura or two (currently it's DR 5/magic, and doesn't stack with Cwalu's Combat Focus DR).
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on July 06, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
I apologize in advance for playing a crazy person without warning anyone.

To be fair I am going for Large Ham (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LargeHam)/Blue and Orange Morality (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueAndOrangeMorality) myself.
Necra doesn't really have a conscience as such but she does listen to Hrothgar and understands that a murderous rampage would endanger them both.

Hrothgar is going to be...interesting.  His personality is still under development.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on July 06, 2016, 10:28:52 PM
Quillwraith, when you have a chance, what do I see/hear with my character's awesome powers of sensory perception? Here are Chirop's senses, for convenient reference: blindsense 20 ft., darkvision 70 ft., low-light vision, Listen +17, Spot +17.

Also, when I have the chance to take 10 on a Spellcraft check or two, I'm going to do my at-will minimally-useful-but-not-useless cantrip prebuffing (cast prestidigitation and maybe read magic on self, and message to Karlat and Cwalu). Also light on any items they ask for (Chirop doesn't need the light himself).
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 07, 2016, 06:05:49 AM
Eventually, we'll ask for light on our armours, when we go off exploring. Got to be able to see somehow.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 12, 2016, 07:40:32 AM
You dead people sure are a cheerful lot :P
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 16, 2016, 04:37:18 PM
Sup? It took me like a week to finally get around to responding but yeah up for joining. I think I was intending on a Warblade archer near the end? I think I'll just go back to the Spelltheif.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 22, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Be covering the one area we don't really have in the party. I think we're all packing enough healing through various mechanisms.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 23, 2016, 12:45:23 PM
Which area are you needing covered? I can modify to nearly anything if needed.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on July 23, 2016, 12:52:41 PM
We've got two beatsticks, an arcanist, and me, who's sort of a 5th wheel/jack of all trades, with enough advanced notice. Mostly focused on party defense at moment because of the low level (this includes a Dragon Shaman healing aura).

So something on the skill/divine side is probably the best bet to round it out?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on July 25, 2016, 04:40:24 PM
Hey. I had some trouble, but everything's back together, I think.


I noticed I don’t really have much in the way of physical description for several of your characters. It's not critical, but if you happen to have an image or a description in mind, it'd be neat to see it.


What pronouns should I use to refer to Necra? (’Necra’ is feminine in Greek, but ‘Librum’ is masculine in Latin, though I suppose the name wouldn’t have been a clue anyway under the circumstances.)


The negative energy in this region is milder than the stander negative-dominant (and the negative planes are in general, for the most part); it's 1 HP /minute here, though I’m not keeping time very exactly. The NPCs are going to start dying pretty soon if no-one does anything about that.


The party is remarkable well suited to this situation, for reasons that will become clear eventually.


@Soro Spellthief does seem like a better choice than warblade, in terms of party composition. Nobody's got stealth skills or search, so there's a fair bit of room in that regard.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 25, 2016, 05:19:29 PM
So something on the skill/divine side is probably the best bet to round it out?
Divine side but not necessarily hp healing and...
@Soro Spellthief does seem like a better choice than warblade, in terms of party composition. Nobody's got stealth skills or search, so there's a fair bit of room in that regard.
Stealth/Traps. I'd have to bump around the Spelltheif build to better cover traps but hmm.

Maybe Half-Kender Cloistered Cleric of Mystra's ideals?
Abilities (PB30 right?): Str 8, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 14, Wis 16, Cha 14.
Domains: 10x10 Planning, Trickery, & Knowledge.
Feats: Magic Marker, Marker Mayhem, Juggle The Numbers, & Flaws?
Skills: Adventure's Appropriation, Bluff, Disable, Hide, K-Divine, Search, Spellcraft, & Genre Savvy.
Marker Spells: Mage Hand, Least Wish; 1st Cheat, Scholar's Touch; 2nd Heroics, Mirror Move.
Items: Masterwork Tools, armor/shield/mace, a bunch of 11ft poles (probably), & Schrodinger's Backpack of dozens of <1gp tools I'm too lazy to list and ironically if I did at 8str I probably couldn't carry it so please stop reading this part. *cough* Also, Human, Kobold Domain, Sleight of Hand, Cloistered's Lore, & Prestidigitation. *cough*

I'll have the room to pick up stuff like Restoration or w/e that way through currently it really doesn't have much for combat potential.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on July 25, 2016, 07:06:46 PM
For what it's worth, I don't actually use traps much as a DM, but that's not the only use for search, of course. It's not something that the party absolutely needs, just something I noticed they don't have.

I'd prefer that you not use Magic Marker with a full caster; I okayed it as an improvement to the rather weak spellthief  casting. Likewise with using Juggle the Numbers on spell slots.

Things you mentioned that I don't recognize: 10x10 Planning, Genre Savvy.

Backpack of random stuff ruling: if it's both light and common, as well as cheap, you can include it in 'dozens of <1gp tools I'm too lazy to list'. If you want some cheap item of substantial weight or obscurity, though, you'll have to attempt an int check to have (retroactively) thought of packing it.
It's pretty much true in general that I'll allow an int or wis check to have retroactively prepared for something, as long as it's likely in character.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on July 25, 2016, 07:31:05 PM
Things you mentioned that I don't recognize: 10x10 Planning, Genre Savvy.
I have some small text listing all of that already included in the post: Also, Human, Kobold Domain, Sleight of Hand, Cloistered's Lore, & Prestidigitation. Anyway, Most of the Spells I can drop, their all none-combative anyway and it'll probably end up biting me on the rear later on anyway, through I would like to keep Prestidigitation, can I keep it and call it "Thaumaturgy"? It also means I can pick up some offensive Feats. How are Undead looked at?

And on the tools, yeah. It's like my character is smarter than my and has the ability to Scribe Scrolls but someone forgot to write down "inkpen" on their sheet so their SOL. Hell, take a look at everyone's sheet and see if anyone even remembered to list clothing. If it's cheap and looks like it'd be in a survival kit; rope, fire stuff, chalk, string, bandages, sharp edges, socks, those awesome marbles in dungeonscape, probably a tarp, magn-- crap I forgot paper. Yeah, need paper to write on. Oh and an inwell -- And apparently everything else that I don't have the Class Features or cheap go to of Shape Sand to replace.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on July 27, 2016, 04:58:57 PM
What pronouns should I use to refer to Necra? (’Necra’ is feminine in Greek, but ‘Librum’ is masculine in Latin, though I suppose the name wouldn’t have been a clue anyway under the circumstances.)

Necra has no gender and really doesn't care, physically her humanoid form is mildly feminine so I imagine most people would go with that.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 01, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
I'm drawing a blank on Feats, if a Cleric doesn't go DMM(persist) what do they normally pick up? I thought about Imbue Healing but there is no entry for Kobold & Tickery/Knowledge are just Skill boosts but Guidance of the Avatar and/or Divine Insight do that better anyway. We're too low in level for any Reserve Feats and no feedback on Undead being ok for Corpsecrafter and such being useful. Maybe I niche Clerics a little to much >.>

*shrugs*
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on August 01, 2016, 04:30:14 PM
I'm drawing a blank on Feats, if a Cleric doesn't go DMM(persist) what do they normally pick up? I thought about Imbue Healing but there is no entry for Kobold & Tickery/Knowledge are just Skill boosts but Guidance of the Avatar and/or Divine Insight do that better anyway. We're too low in level for any Reserve Feats and no feedback on Undead being ok for Corpsecrafter and such being useful.
Undead aren't an issue; there's already one with the party, even. Animate Dead and so forth are [Evil], but Evil chararcters (or non-evil characters who sometimes do evil things) are fine with me as long as they can still work with the party.
Other than that... Zen Archery is pretty solid for wis casters. Enlarge and Extend only increase a spell's level by one and have no prereqs. It's hard to go wrong with Improved Initiative.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 01, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
I'm going to go with Corpsecrafter, Fell Animate, and DMM(fell animate) then. I suppose that still means I'm abusing DMM but I get a limited pool of zombies instead of using an energy drain trick for a wightocalypse so I hope that works. Wights suck anyway  :drums

Can I go Necropoliton, and if so can I stack the normal undead buffs on it that apply?
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on August 01, 2016, 06:21:46 PM
Unless I am misreading things, that character will be optimized to a greater extent than the rest of the party currently is. Although given my character's abilities, extra minions are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 01, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Unless I am misreading things, that character will be optimized to a greater extent than the rest of the party currently is. Although given my character's abilities, extra minions are greatly appreciated.
I doubt it.

As is he needs fifteen rounds to kill a CR2 monster using his mace or ten rounds using a crossbow. The fall back easy bump is Knowledge Devotion & Guidance of the Avatar for a +3 att/dmg boost which really helps those averages to but at this time I'm not trying to use it and I'm digging around in alternatives. Defensively, he has 7hp so he drops in one successful hit unless Necropoliton is allowed, 2/1/3 saves, and a useful 19 ac with a plan to total defend for 23 because I'd rather not make another character for this game within a week.

The main contribution is traps & stealing. I do have Iceslick noted, through Marbles frees up the slot, because it's the only save-less CC Spell for Clerics and I may tinker with that some more. The main crunch I'm currently looking at will primarily come from the Zombies. Which limited to two 4HDers, or two Fast/Diseased 2HDers, might seem a lot but remember they are only CR1 and Zombies don't get to Move and Attack, instead having to choose one or the other, and if Fast is chosen creatures like the Bugbear have too much HD to control (currently).

Yeah later on obviously the full-casting Cleric will be awesome pretty much no matter what I do but before shouting omg you should have realized that not over shadowing is actually part of the puzzle that I optimize in. And right now it's weak character to offset bringing pals, which yes benefit from your Commander's Auras. *wink*
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on August 02, 2016, 07:03:54 AM
Looking at the zombie variants, I'd agree with sticking with Fast/Diseased. Too bad you can't grab the Fiery version from over in skeletons.

Unkillable might work if they're just meant to hold up opponents - fast healing 5 + DR 5/- would be pretty hard to overcome early on, but the speed of Fast is definitely more useful.

Either way, bring on the pets!
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Quillwraith on August 04, 2016, 03:33:22 PM
Can I go Necropoliton, and if so can I stack the normal undead buffs on it that apply?
You can go Necropoliton, but corpsecrafter (and anything else that takes place during the creation of an undead) can't be used on yourself, if that's what you mean.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 05, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
You can go Necropoliton, but corpsecrafter (and anything else that takes place during the creation of an undead) can't be used on yourself, if that's what you mean.
Corpsecrafter doesn't work on Necropoliton anyway, I was thinking Desecrate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/desecrate.htm) but that's fine.

I also found my damage knack today, Twice per day I can trade 5hp (black sand ftw?) making someone who can actually hit their targets deal an extra +3d6 damage. Shining moments for all! Your murderous victory and my new zombie to pat you on the back for me.

Which also means the sheet is finished. Meet Liliana Rikki (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=11932.msg311930#msg311930).
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: littha on August 06, 2016, 10:22:24 AM
I get the feeling that at some point we are going to be controlling a whole lot of undead as a party.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 07, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
I get the feeling that at some point we are going to be controlling a whole lot of undead as a party.
It's pretty much the theme you guys ended on before I showed up.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Stratovarius on August 16, 2016, 06:50:20 AM
I get the feeling that at some point we are going to be controlling a whole lot of undead as a party.
It's pretty much the theme you guys ended on before I showed up.

If the DM gets us there. :poke
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on August 23, 2016, 01:20:41 AM
Pokes for the poke god.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on August 23, 2016, 10:31:26 AM
Qull hasn't been on since the 4th.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Garryl on August 24, 2016, 03:11:04 AM
I can see how that might put a damper on things.
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: Nanshork on August 24, 2016, 10:13:30 AM
Yeah, it makes me sad.   :(
Title: Re: The Nonfictional People Strike Back(OOC)
Post by: SorO_Lost on August 24, 2016, 01:24:44 PM
:(