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Creative Corner => Homebrew and House Rules (D&D) => Topic started by: RobbyPants on November 16, 2019, 10:59:39 AM

Title: A bard and rogue ACF
Post by: RobbyPants on November 16, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
I have two ACFs I created, and I'm curious about your thoughts on these (both from a balance standpoint and interestingness to play).


Bard Variant: Arcane Rogue
Arcane Rogues are bards that have given up their inspirational abilities for guile and subterfuge.
Gain: Add the following class features.Lose: Remove the following features from the Bard:I'm struggling thinking about how good a full (albeit slightly delayed) Sneak Attack progression is. Is this about right? Is the loss of a good Reflex save necessary?

I'm basically looking to make something like an Arcane Trickster playable from level 1. I toyed with adjusting the spell list, but I currently decided to go with the same Bard list.
Title: Re: A bard and rogue ACF
Post by: RobbyPants on November 16, 2019, 10:59:52 AM
Rogue Variant: Shade
Shades are Rogues that have traded some of their acrobatic abilities for shadow abilities.
Gain: Add the following class features.Lose: Remove the following features from the Rogue:This one has a lot of stuff, but I don't feel like any of it is really outside of level-appropriate. I wasn't really sure if abilities like Shadow Illusion and Shadow Door should be (Su) or (Sp). They're SLAs, but they have different names than the spells and have modified limitations.
Title: Re: A bard and rogue ACF
Post by: Skyrock on November 16, 2019, 06:09:27 PM
Note that Trickster is already the name of a Spellthief ACF which adds bard-speed spellcasting. I would consider renaming it, especially as they end up conceptually very, very similar.
Title: Re: A bard and rogue ACF
Post by: RobbyPants on November 16, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Note that Trickster is already the name of a Spellthief ACF which adds bard-speed spellcasting. I would consider renaming it, especially as they end up conceptually very, very similar.
I was not aware of that. Thanks.

I'd originally named the thing "arcane rogue", which I didn't like as much, but I'll revert back to that unless someone thinks of a better name.