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Re: OOC
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2012, 09:33:36 AM »
So, your opinions on the 'brews?
Oh, guess I skipped you. Class seems fine but the Warlock Invocation expansion seems a bit much, nice concept sure but mechanically it gives a bunch of huge bonuses at the cost of ignorable flavor.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2012, 09:35:40 AM »
Seems my questions got missed.

 ust to double check, our first level in an npc class basically gets retrained away for the other snapshot builds correct?

Does your alignment system change mean that classes no longer have alignment requirements?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2012, 09:54:07 AM »
On the subject of retraining: What's your stance, SorO?  Specifically, later snapshots of my FL will be reliant on taking Snowcasting at 3rd, But the 4th level snapshot has no caster level, making it useless for that point in time. . . .
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Re: OOC
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2012, 10:06:01 AM »
It's early and in a rush but
1. Yes the NPC level goes away.
2. Yeah alignment as a mechanic is reduced to eyeballing it.
3. Retraining is fine as long as the end result is a valid build and you make up an excuse for it. Mindful overt Class Changes wouldn't actually fit in very well, ~I spent six years learning how to be a Wizard. Oh yeah, I was an illiterate Barbarian that retrained to be a Wizard in just six weeks. So it'd be nice if you didn't try something on that level, Feats and such are fine through.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2012, 10:24:53 AM »
It's early and in a rush but
1. Yes the NPC level goes away.
2. Yeah alignment as a mechanic is reduced to eyeballing it.
3. Retraining is fine as long as the end result is a valid build and you make up an excuse for it. Mindful overt Class Changes wouldn't actually fit in very well, ~I spent six years learning how to be a Wizard. Oh yeah, I was an illiterate Barbarian that retrained to be a Wizard in just six weeks. So it'd be nice if you didn't try something on that level, Feats and such are fine through.

Can I take Monk with a non-lawful alignment or Barbarian with a lawful alignment (preferably the former given the build I'm going for)?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2012, 05:42:17 PM »
Eyeball it. Like your mind is disciplined, but maybe your also a compolsive liar who hates giving his word on anything.

Alignment based spells ultimitly work the same way BTW. If your close enough to being evil than paladins can detect you.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2012, 06:19:36 PM »
Nice.  I'm more interested in being a barbarian who kills things with his fists than being disciplined.   I'm only interested in taking one level of monk anyway to get a start on the unarmed damage progression.  :p

That frees up the half-orc paragon levels, and my race choice in general.  Very nice.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2012, 09:46:01 PM »
So... got room for one more? Would an insane, disembodied psychic corrupted by an Elder Evil be too much for the campaign? :P
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Re: OOC
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2012, 10:41:32 PM »
Shifters can normally only use their racial shifting ability 1/day (+ more times with feats spent).  Does the daily cap on this get lifted the way it does on class daily abilities?

Edit: Actually, I'm not sure if it matters.  If the cap is removed I would end up going Warshaper and I'm not sure if that would end up with me optimizing more than you want.  Then again, there won't be any power attack shenanigans with this build so I don't know if it would be over the top with Warshaper.

Edit edit: Do you have any issue with me having the Frozen Berserker and the Blazing Berserker feats at the same time?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2012, 11:09:48 PM »
I'm thinking of retracting my old build stub, and trying something else (especially if you no-no the Baptism, which is required mechanically...)

I'll figure out something.
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Re: OOC
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2012, 07:57:59 PM »
So... got room for one more? Would an insane, disembodied psychic corrupted by an Elder Evil be too much for the campaign? :P
Maybe. Initially said 4~5 with option to shape PCs as it were via splitting up who handles which parts of the time line.

@Nashork, umm. Not sure one first post, not sure if first edit is a question, and nope it's fine on the third edit.

@Amechra, It's sad I broke your idea. Is there a way to can pull it off without the Baptism(s)?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2012, 08:04:55 PM »
I'll rephrase everything.  Are you okay with me having Shifter + Warshaper bonuses on top of Rage+Fist of the Forest's rage like ability for pretty much every combat at higher levels?

If not I'll play a human, there's lots of feats I want.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2012, 09:31:41 PM »
So... got room for one more? Would an insane, disembodied psychic corrupted by an Elder Evil be too much for the campaign? :P
Maybe. Initially said 4~5 with option to shape PCs as it were via splitting up who handles which parts of the time line.

@Nashork, umm. Not sure one first post, not sure if first edit is a question, and nope it's fine on the third edit.

@Amechra, It's sad I broke your idea. Is there a way to can pull it off without the Baptism(s)?

I could do it with Foe Hunter, but that's a regional feat, and the options aren't the kind of thing that I envision the character taking...

Is there any way that I could swap out the Favored Enemy bonus from that feat for a Favored Organization ability? We can hash out what particular organization is drawing his vengeance.
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Re: OOC
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2012, 11:42:34 PM »
I'll rephrase everything.  Are you okay with me having Shifter + Warshaper bonuses on top of Rage+Fist of the Forest's rage like ability for pretty much every combat at higher levels?
Need Bands of Blood Rage.

Ok, more seriously to make my life easier use some of your own judgment. If you wanted nine different pissed off traits for an super high strength score, then you'd also want.
A. Also have as many attacks per round for the lulz.
B. Pick up Pounce and x8 Charge damage.
C. Try real hard to not come across as hey look at me solo this with my eyes closed and only using teacups.

Personally the idea of a super pissed off warrior sounds cool to me. Mechanically they stack, intent they kind of do. Shifter does do some things Warshaper doesn't an vice versa, it's like Warshaper extends Shifter for the ultimate in form choice. So there is nothing wrong with the combination. Only the question of is it too much?

We can hash out what particular organization is drawing his vengeance.
Ummm..... I plead the 5th there for asking about any hidden conspiracies that may happen. Just to remind you through, FE wouldn't be exactly fair if it applied to everything you fight you know.

So take a better look at Foe Hunter. Not in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, but in the 3.5 updated Player's Guide to Fearun. Foe Hunter's list includes Dragons & Demons. Something like asking for Devils over Demons isn't without merit so what is it you're actually seeking here?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2012, 11:49:24 PM »
Pretty much; Devils will work nicely.
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Re: OOC
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2012, 12:00:05 AM »
I'll rephrase everything.  Are you okay with me having Shifter + Warshaper bonuses on top of Rage+Fist of the Forest's rage like ability for pretty much every combat at higher levels?
Need Bands of Blood Rage.

Ok, more seriously to make my life easier use some of your own judgment. If you wanted nine different pissed off traits for an super high strength score, then you'd also want.
A. Also have as many attacks per round for the lulz.
B. Pick up Pounce and x8 Charge damage.
C. Try real hard to not come across as hey look at me solo this with my eyes closed and only using teacups.

Personally the idea of a super pissed off warrior sounds cool to me. Mechanically they stack, intent they kind of do. Shifter does do some things Warshaper doesn't an vice versa, it's like Warshaper extends Shifter for the ultimate in form choice. So there is nothing wrong with the combination. Only the question of is it too much?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.  I'm going to get two extra attacks per round (at a -4 to all attacks but I'll have a buttload of strength to counteract that). I could take snap kick for an extra attack with an additional -2 to all attacks but I think I'm going to pass on that.  I'm going to have pounce too but I'm actively avoiding any and all damage multiplication.  Hell, I'll have power attack and never use the feat as far as I can tell.

I like the multiple rages idea, I always have, and I've got two going on so far.  I could go bear warrior but I don't really want to, that doesn't fit with my concept.  Wildrunner doesn't either.  Well, it does but I think the class is meh. 

Part of the problem is that I've got a theme going on and I can't figure out what to take after my first 14 levels.

Are there any good prestige classes that thematically work with a raging unarmed brawler who's at one with nature?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2012, 10:18:32 AM »
Pretty much; Devils will work nicely.
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Only the question of is it too much?
That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Are there any good prestige classes that thematically work with a raging unarmed brawler who's at one with nature?

Being a mostly mundane fighter, you could hit up Optimize by Numbers and get a highly accurate idea of monster AC/HP/Attack/Damage and try to keep within a range of those I suppose. I mean if you hit the average mark of your offense vs their defense, then in theory some mobs you could solo in one round barring those unmentioned SLAs interfering and others you need a little party help. That'd give the feel of optimized but not enough everyone is "glass cannoning" things.

Away from books, but Master of the Wild might have some suggestions.

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Re: OOC
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2012, 12:03:57 AM »
I'm contemplating leaving out the third level of Fist of the Forest, the rage destroys any magical shoes or gloves I might be wearing.  Then again I don't know how much I really care about that.  You know what?  I don't really care about that.

I'm also dropping Deepwarden and adding Wildrunner, my Dex is going to be higher than my Con after all of the raging so I want Dex to AC.  So that's three rages, but I only want two levels of Wildrunner because my Cha will suck, and that replaces the two levels of Deepwarden I was going to take.  I need five levels of something else....

Soro, I want to play a Shifter Barbarian 1/ Monk 3/ Ranger 1/ Fist of the Forest 3/ Wildrunner 2/ Frostrager 5/ Weretouched Master (erratad version is fine) 5.  Will the Barbarian, Fist of the Forest, and Wildrunner's rages all be useable unlimited times/day with a five minute cooldown between uses?  What about the Shifter's shifting ability?

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Re: OOC
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2012, 08:18:31 AM »
Ok, so Temotei finally posted the contest, and I posted Extractor and the first 11 soulmelds (still have 18 to write).  Here it is, for your perusal and approval.  It's almost certainly tier 3 at the max, more likely high 4.
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Re: OOC
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2012, 10:47:40 AM »
Soro, I want to play a Shifter Barbarian 1/ Monk 3/ Ranger 1/ Fist of the Forest 3/ Wildrunner 2/ Frostrager 5/ Weretouched Master (erratad version is fine) 5.  Will the Barbarian, Fist of the Forest, and Wildrunner's rages all be useable unlimited times/day with a five minute cooldown between uses?  What about the Shifter's shifting ability?
I have it written as base classes, mostly because there are PrC abilities that should remain X/day. So you answer that question I'd have to really look into those classes.

I can say I know Wildrunner has like 3+Con uses so there isn't much of a reason to grant extra uses in the ideal 4 encounter model as you most likely can freely use it when needed anyway.

Ok, so Temotei finally posted the contest, and I posted Extractor and the first 11 soulmelds (still have 18 to write).  Here it is, for your perusal and approval.  It's almost certainly tier 3 at the max, more likely high 4.
Looks like a cool class, one thing I found I didn't like was the random projected Cohort. You should probably mention details related to the Cohort's items, melds, and what kind of encounters trigger it (I walked into a trap, poof clone appeared and cast a spell from a wand on me!) but personally I just don't like it. I also think it's T3 rather than high T4, besides the self clone it does have mass ally buffs and Save-or-Dies (the sand cloak thing).

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