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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #360 on: November 09, 2016, 02:08:03 AM »
You know what this is right?  We all are paying the price to end the Curse of the Billygoat.  The Cubs win the World Series, and in return Trump wins the presidency.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #362 on: November 09, 2016, 04:00:28 AM »
I'm disappointed in America.  But I'm not surprised.   Just profoundly disappointed.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #363 on: November 09, 2016, 06:32:56 AM »
I'm disappointed in America.  But I'm not surprised.   Just profoundly disappointed.

Me too. And I have to live here...

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #364 on: November 09, 2016, 09:31:27 AM »
Indiana got rid of Pence only to have him running the country.  Trump said Pence was going to be in charge of "foreign and domestic affairs".  And as a replacement, we get Holcomb, Pence's Lt. Gov.  We voted out Glenda Ritz, who was changing our education system for the better, for the Republican replacement, someone who wants private schools to receive all the public funding while ignoring public schools.  Exactly what Pence and the private schools who paid Pence wanted to do this whole time.  Pence set up a committee to act as superintendent usurping power from Ritz a while ago, but it folded after constitutional pressure on account of it being freaking illegal.  Pence also tried to make a new government agency, a ministry of the press, essentially, which would release all government news.  ALL of it.  It would have had to go through this ministry.  We also elected Todd Young.  Todd Young is essentially a local official in rural Texas.  He believes not only in your right to bear arms, but your right to use said arms to pre-defend yourself from turrursts.  Also known as hate crimes.  He wants to delete the ACA and go back to insurance companies not having any regulations on them.  So he wants to delete 90 years of the regulations on them.  It's worth noting he gets a good bit of money from lobbying firms that want that.

All of this probably could have been avoided with Sanders being the Democratic nominee.  Except Todd Young.  but that's just part of my point here.  The Todd Young/Evan Bayh race here was a microcosm of the presidential election.  Young is racist and xenophobic.  We all knew he had a chance.  But the Democrats, thinking it would have been an easy race, convinced Bayh, an ex-governor and senator turned lobbyist, to run guaranteeing him the race.  And it seemed like it was a lock until one week before the election.  When CNN uncovered that Bayh broke ethics rules in his senate days, meeting with lobbyists/fundraising in his office.  So he's a lobbyist who broke rules to meet with and curry favor with other lobbyists. He couldn't recover from that.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #365 on: November 09, 2016, 10:00:30 AM »
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #366 on: November 09, 2016, 10:14:20 AM »
Well in four years we'll be able to pick up the pieces (hopefully).  My mom is terrified that Trump is going to piss off one of the many crazy world leaders out there and get us attacked.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #367 on: November 09, 2016, 12:56:36 PM »
Presidential Election Results: Donald J. Trump Wins  :shakefist  :banghead

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #368 on: November 09, 2016, 01:03:43 PM »
OK, first of all, this.



Second of all, please do not cry because Trump won. He feeds on your tears.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #369 on: November 09, 2016, 01:58:10 PM »
Really? Trump is incompetent and evil?

If his policies listed in his campaign take shape, America's government might take control of who enters the country, might stop making unfavorable trade deals, and might stop borrowing fake money (that last one is a real pipe dream...). We might actually have states' rights again, but nothing I've heard says we will.

I voted Trump because I would have voted any candidate that I thought had a chance of winning who would even try to reduce the size and reach of government, especially the Federal gubment, into my life. I would have voted for Kruse, Rubio, or Carson. I'd have thrown up if Kasich had been the (R) candidate and gotten ready for his opponent to win.

I also voted for Trump because I'm tired of having to be silent about being a Conservative Republican. I'm not religious, but the backlash against anyone who's a Christian repels me. I'm personally against abortion; I see very little moral difference between killing a fetus and infanticide; one is merely less visible than the other. Yes it's the woman's body, but she has other choices than abortion; choose not to have sex, or choose to use effective birth control, or choose to adopt the baby out. I want the Fed. Gov. to only have the powers that are granted in the US Constitution. I want actual free speech; right now if I say that gay marriage is useless (not reprehensible, just pointless), I get yelled down or demeaned so that I won't say it again. I'm done shutting up, and it's my opinion that many voted for Trump for the same reason; his example of speaking his mind and still succeeding might actually increase the honesty in politics (yet another pipe dream).



One reason 'all the polls' failed to predict this, excluding possible bias of the pollster, could be that folks like myself want to be left alone. You ask me how I voted as I exit a voting station, or before the actual election day, I'll politely tell you to fuck off (actually I'll just ignore the question/questioner).
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #370 on: November 09, 2016, 02:24:52 PM »
Sorry Chemus, you picked the wrong one to reduce the reach of government.  Trump said Pence was essentially going to be running the country.  Pence has in the past tried to put government in control of the media, personal relationships, and healthcare to an unnerving degree.  He's tried to put government on a path to force gay people to undergo conversion therapy (at places that have donated to his campaign).  He's tried to establish a government run media company that all government news must go through.  If that doesn't scare you, it's nice to meet you Kim Jong Un.  He's tried to force private companies to ban certain demographics from service.  He's really bad.

You talk of the abortion thing?  I fully understand and sympathize with your viewpoint, even though I disagree with it.  Personally, a fetus is not a person.  Scientifically, a fetus is not a person.  There is grey area that needs serious public policy debate, however, and we are not getting that debate in lieu of a shouting match between "all abortion is wrong and evil" and "you can't restrict it at all you nazi".  However.  You have picked to back the wrong candidate here too.  Tim Kaine is anti-abortion.  Mike Pence is anti-consensual interactions between two adults.  Mike Pence supports abstinence only education, which has been proven, over and over again, to increase the danger to women of all ages, but especially under 20, with regards to STIs and unwanted pregnancies.  Pence wants to prevent teens from getting the education they need to make healthy choices.  Pence wants to restrict choices and availability for effective birth control.  He wanted to prevent insurance companies from being able to provide for them, colleges from handing out free condoms, etc.  He also wanted to make it harder to adopt babies out.  The biggest thing he wanted to do was prevent LGBT+ couples and single parents from adopting.

You want free speech?  Again, Pence wanted government controlled media.  Trump has repeatedly said he wanted to be able to restrict the free press, suing them for saying things he doesn't like, regardless of whether or not the things are true.  We already have fairly robust and actually a bit under protective freedom of speech rights, places like Breitbart and such can say things like 'Obama is an illegal alien who is literally going to kill you, personally, with his own penis'.  And they're immune to lawsuit, for the most part.

You want honesty?  We don't know how rich Trump is.  He's lied multiple times about his finances, and never released his tax returns.  Under audit?  IRS says that doesn't matter, he still could.  I'm not saying Clinton was honest, not at all.  She's pretty dishonest and bends the truth regularly.  However Trump is on another level.  He sued Nevada's Clark County for letting voters in line when polls closed still vote.  They are required by law to let them vote if they are in line, and Trump sued to prevent that.  Trump has had his businesses go bankrupt 4 times.  Two of them had a stipulation that Trump give up control of the company to someone who could run it better.  He lost money running a freaking casino.  That's illegal.  Like, from a laws of nature perspective, it's just not possible, and he somehow did it.  He regularly brags about lying to people about paying them.  He's been sued by 8 year old girls who he stiffed.  He hasn't donated to charities until called out on his lies about them, and lies about what the monies are used for.  I think the funniest lie he's told lately was his support from Tom Brady.  He said Brady voted for him on Monday.  Brady told a radio show earlier that day that he hadn't voted yet, and doesn't want to get political (he never is political).  Then his wife said unequivocally that neither she nor Brady supported Trump ever and weren't voting for him.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #371 on: November 09, 2016, 02:44:22 PM »
Like, I don't even recall hearing any actual policies from trump during his campaign. It was all "we're gonna get rid of this", "trust me, I know what I'm doing", "I know more than anyone else about this".

That was literally the gist of anything remotely policy related I ever heard him say.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #372 on: November 09, 2016, 03:04:07 PM »
Like, I don't even recall hearing any actual policies from trump during his campaign. It was all "we're gonna get rid of this", "trust me, I know what I'm doing", "I know more than anyone else about this".

That was literally the gist of anything remotely policy related I ever heard him say.

It has been online this whole time.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #373 on: November 09, 2016, 03:13:16 PM »
Like, I don't even recall hearing any actual policies from trump during his campaign. It was all "we're gonna get rid of this", "trust me, I know what I'm doing", "I know more than anyone else about this".

That was literally the gist of anything remotely policy related I ever heard him say.

It has been online this whole time.

The president doesn't have the authority to do a lot of those and congress isn't going to vote restrictions for themselves that's for damn sure.

Also he's going to cut taxes and the deficit but somehow pay for all of that without stating how.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #374 on: November 09, 2016, 04:31:09 PM »
Like, I don't even recall hearing any actual policies from trump during his campaign. It was all "we're gonna get rid of this", "trust me, I know what I'm doing", "I know more than anyone else about this".

That was literally the gist of anything remotely policy related I ever heard him say.

It has been online this whole time.

The president doesn't have the authority to do a lot of those and congress isn't going to vote restrictions for themselves that's for damn sure.

Also he's going to cut taxes and the deficit but somehow pay for all of that without stating how.

I was not saying he can pull all of that off or that they are all good ideas, I was just stating that his policies were publicly out there.
Also not having the authority to do something does not prevent one from pushing and supporting the idea.
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #375 on: November 09, 2016, 04:51:05 PM »
The Princeton guy I linked, and a large pile of similars, were VERY WRONG.
538 still had Trump within their margin-of-error.  I'd say they got it right, probability wise.

Except Utah seems to have had a medium sized Bradley effect from McMullin toward Trump.
And there's no way to model what happened with Comey.


Even after the consistently horrible language out of Trumps mouth
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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #376 on: November 09, 2016, 05:18:12 PM »


I voted Trump because I would have voted any candidate that I thought had a chance of winning who would even try to reduce the size and reach of government, especially the Federal gubment, into my life. I would have voted for Kruse, Rubio, or Carson. I'd have thrown up if Kasich had been the (R) candidate and gotten ready for his opponent to win.

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Then you backed the wrong horse.  As stated his policies increase our debt by 10 trillion.  He wants to expand infrastructure, expand military spending, hell expand spending in general, while cutting taxes that would pay for those changes.  He's not reducing the size of Federal government, he fully intends to expand it and always admitted he did.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #377 on: November 09, 2016, 05:20:57 PM »
Like, I don't even recall hearing any actual policies from trump during his campaign. It was all "we're gonna get rid of this", "trust me, I know what I'm doing", "I know more than anyone else about this".

That was literally the gist of anything remotely policy related I ever heard him say.

It has been online this whole time.

The president doesn't have the authority to do a lot of those and congress isn't going to vote restrictions for themselves that's for damn sure.

Also he's going to cut taxes and the deficit but somehow pay for all of that without stating how.

I was not saying he can pull all of that off or that they are all good ideas, I was just stating that his policies were publicly out there.
Also not having the authority to do something does not prevent one from pushing and supporting the idea.

First off, I want to say that I'm not arguing with you.  I just feel the need to respond in general.

The problem with your response is that it disagrees with the language in his "contract".  There's a lot of "this will happen within the first 100 days" that he totally doesn't have the authority to do.  That annoys me (he does, not you).

It also doesn't help that most of these things he never brought up in any of the debates, and in general didn't bring up much of any defined policies.

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #378 on: November 09, 2016, 08:09:58 PM »

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Re: The Politics Thread v3
« Reply #379 on: November 09, 2016, 11:14:09 PM »
Not to nitpick but that is from September.....