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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #760 on: September 04, 2018, 01:15:22 PM »
If you can't see anything, just nuke the entire area.
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I'm pretty sure that's both of our character's default option, Blinded or not.

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« Reply #761 on: September 04, 2018, 01:16:53 PM »
No, no, my default option is running at them really fast and hitting away.

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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #762 on: September 04, 2018, 07:38:48 PM »
A Magitech Knight may pick one of the following Saint Script lists and replace spells on her paladin spell list with spells on the Saint Script list of the same level at the rate of 2 paladin spells per Knight Saint spell from that list. Such spells can only be cast by an actual Magitech Knight, no other class, item or ability may replicate them.
You can't make scrolls of Wren's spells at all. Nor wands nor staves nor dorjes, nothing.
Eh I'm not worried for a myriad of reasons. One of those is that Knight Saint spell limitation comes from the Magitech Knight's Class Feature rather than the Saint Script Spells them selves. Another can be the fact that the entire point of UMD is to pretend you are a specific Class or have specific Class Features anyway.
You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

But mostly is the original author is up for hand waving the requirements anyway if I talk about how borked these are in chat.
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I have been coerced to say I read part of Osl's rules wrong again by being bribed with the ability to abuse those Wren Spells in Osl's mech game. Seems pretty fair don't you think?
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How does that work?
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I stopped asking years ago.
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This just seems like him playing whack a mole as he breaks different areas

That's not you admitting the ways you are wrong I'm afraid. For starters you'll need to actually explain the different parts where you were wrong like how Wren's Rockets don't follow your personal math rules, then tell how they actually work.

And then you go back to failing basic math, for sums happen after multiplication. The d12 is multiplied by CL, then you add your Str mod.
I like how you consciously emphasized then to explain the formula but subconsciously knew the formula needing clarity and had already used grammar to correct the sentence and that's interesting. I wonder how things would have gone if it said "deals 1d12 per caster level, plus your strength modifier, damage"?
If you think a formula isn't clear, the answer isn't to run the formula whatever way your personal hallucinations tell you to, it's to ask for a clarification.

If you don't have a radar/alternate sense or a way to remove status effects from yourself by that level, it's your own fault.
Hell yeah. I mean most pilots only need to see or hear a radar to even use it in the first place but why beat a dead zombiecat over the subject. It's their own fault for not having Blindsense, Scent, or any euphemisms of nude-vision.
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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #763 on: September 04, 2018, 07:54:33 PM »
If you can't see anything, just nuke the entire area. blanket it in tentacles

That's better.
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« Reply #764 on: September 04, 2018, 09:32:22 PM »
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You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

Yeah, your wording there doesn't restrict the magic item from being made, it restricts the item from being used to cast it and scrolls don't cast, the user does, so you can make a scroll and then UMD the scroll...

Why not just turn the spells into class features that can only be used by sacrificing a slot of the appropriate spell level (whether a spell's prepared in it or not)? Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one. Or double spell slot usage.
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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #765 on: September 04, 2018, 10:09:08 PM »
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You can't Use Magic Device if there's no Magic Device in the first place. Not even the Magitech Knight themselves can craft items of Saint Script spells.

Yeah, your wording there doesn't restrict the magic item from being made, it restricts the item from being used to cast it and scrolls don't cast, the user does, so you can make a scroll and then UMD the scroll...
Then why is the scroll's CL and DC  independent from the user's stats?

Why not just turn the spells into class features that can only be used by sacrificing a slot of the appropriate spell level (whether a spell's prepared in it or not)? Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one. Or double spell slot usage.

"Works like a spell but isn't a spell or accessible like one" raises a lot more questions than it answers. If you can neatly write it in one paragraph, I'm all ears.

Nevermind, I'll just clarify that you can't craft items of them.
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« Reply #766 on: September 04, 2018, 10:17:17 PM »
I think it's because it's spell completion but I don't have the rules compendium handy.

"These abilities can be activated by sacrificing 1 or 2 (delete as appropriate) spells of the indicated spell level. All caster level dependent effects use the caster level of the class granting this ability (minimum CL1). Saving throws are equal to 10+(level of slot sacrificed)+ABILITY SCORE MODIFIER. Activating these abilities takes a standard action and provokes attacks of opportunity as if casting a spell."

Something like that? Then just format them as spell blocks like normal.
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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #767 on: September 04, 2018, 10:30:27 PM »
Edited in my reply in the most recent general discussion post since it's a more generic rules discussion now.

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« Reply #768 on: September 05, 2018, 06:39:38 AM »
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Re: High End OOC thread IV-End of minmaxboards
« Reply #769 on: September 05, 2018, 07:01:29 AM »
Then why is the scroll's CL and DC  independent from the user's stats?

Isn't it implied in the label for scrolls as spell completion items? I.e. someone else started it and you're just finishing it. Yanno, like group projects where you do 100% of the work yourself and your partner just slaps their name on it after you finish and takes credit for it.

It also helps with making costing out scrolls a uniform matter rather than customizable minmaxed nonsense with an excessive amount of formulas to calculate every combination of CL, SplLvl, and DC.

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« Reply #770 on: September 06, 2018, 07:39:13 AM »

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« Reply #771 on: September 06, 2018, 11:21:57 AM »
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« Reply #772 on: September 06, 2018, 06:19:54 PM »
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« Reply #773 on: September 07, 2018, 11:50:58 AM »
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« Reply #774 on: September 08, 2018, 11:08:36 PM »
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« Reply #775 on: September 08, 2018, 11:51:17 PM »
For what it's worth, I think all this would work a hell of a lot better if you'd stop being so hostile towards each other. Assuming that a less broken system and setting state is desirable, both not trying to abuse the hell out of something rather than explaining why it needs fixing and not making unnecessarily personal post edits would help. Being civil's nice.

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« Reply #776 on: September 09, 2018, 01:35:49 AM »
On the same note as Rainy there, I do find it incredibly awkward to have to read through Soro & Os' posts when they're hating on each other for just existing  :-\

Just...air out ya'll's grievances in like a DM/PM on Discord so our game threads don't get overburdened with you two clashing here >.>

I just hope we can eventually get back to a point of everyone playing more civil and friendly like we sometimes have managed to do before...

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« Reply #777 on: September 09, 2018, 02:25:37 AM »
Yeah, for fuck's sake, make up or make out already.
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« Reply #778 on: September 09, 2018, 03:07:33 AM »
Ok, by group majority decision the recent hate speech has been removed.

SorO_Lost: As wisely pointed out by Ketaro, this isn't a personal rant thread. From now on if you have any beef with this game, you take it to me through PM. Any more insults/bad jokes/hate/bad math you post in the OOC will be replaced by pleasant pics of mechas to not ruin the other player's enjoyment of the game. Consider it a chance for a fresh start.
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« Reply #779 on: September 09, 2018, 09:54:16 AM »
Thank God, I was beginning to start questioning my sanity for hanging around here.
 
I know, I know, I'll start posting again today.