Discussion thread

[bhu]

Anyone have an objection to my merging the two aforementioned maneuvers?

[bhu]

Im up for changing stone foot stance due to it's suckage.  Any objections?

[bhu]

Am I alone in finding the 1st level White Raven stances more powerful than the other schools?

[bhu]

I will be rejiggering all stances to 1xt, 3rd, 5th or 8th level.

[bhu]

Stances done, moving on to strikes

[bhu]

I redid stone bones as a boost, and will be converting mighty throw and similar abilities to the new grapples section.

Steely Strike got a buff cause lets be honest it kinda sucked compared to the other level 1 strikes.

[bhu]

Am I alone in thinking ghost blade should be less than 6th level?

[Nanshork]

Here I am as requested.

Boosts
 - Swift Skill 1 has a typo, missing the word of.
 - Surge 3 has a copy/paste error, "Iron Heart Surge". 
 - Sweep 7 is underwhelming.

Counters
 - No comment.

Grapples
 - Supernatural Choke 3 - does this require any sort of concentration on your part?
 - Supernatural Throw 9 has some weird spacing.

Rushes
 - Shadow Walk also has weird spacing.

Stances
 - Fortitude 8 has spacing issues.
 - Immovability 8 does too.

I'll do strikes later.

[bhu]

Here I am as requested.
 
 - Sweep 7 is underwhelming.

 - Supernatural Choke 3 - does this require any sort of concentration on your part?

What Level should we put sweep at?  5th sound ok?

Reworded Supernatural Choke, hopefully it answers your question without making new ones.  Typos and spacing issues should be fixed.

[Nanshork]

Sweep should be below the extra attack with each weapon manuever.  One level below that sounds fine.  (I can't remember and am too lazy to look right now.)

I think Supernatural Choke makes sense. 

[bhu]

sweep is now 4th level

[Nanshork]

Thinking about it more, I think you were right and I was wrong and that Sweep should be moved up to 5.

Strikes
 - Explosive Strike 3 has spacing issues.
 - Ripping Strike 3 does too.
 - Energized Charge 4 also.
 - Skillful Strike 4 as well.
 - Sundering Strike 5 additionally.
 - Pop-Up Strike 6 to boot.
 - Aligned Strike 7 furthermore.
 - Energized Charge 7 too.
 - Leaping Strike 7 as well.
 - Sundering Strike 7 also.
 - Draining Strike 8 also.
 - Skillful Strike 8 also.
 - Stunning Strike 8 also.
 - Leaping Strike 9 too.

The only balance thing that popped out at me was touch attacks at level 2 (for a level 3 character).  Is that one based off of an existing maneuver?

[bhu]

Thinking about it more, I think you were right and I was wrong and that Sweep should be moved up to 5.

Strikes
 - Explosive Strike 3 has spacing issues.
 - Ripping Strike 3 does too.
 - Energized Charge 4 also.
 - Skillful Strike 4 as well.
 - Sundering Strike 5 additionally.
 - Pop-Up Strike 6 to boot.
 - Aligned Strike 7 furthermore.
 - Energized Charge 7 too.
 - Leaping Strike 7 as well.
 - Sundering Strike 7 also.
 - Draining Strike 8 also.
 - Skillful Strike 8 also.
 - Stunning Strike 8 also.
 - Leaping Strike 9 too.

The only balance thing that popped out at me was touch attacks at level 2 (for a level 3 character).  Is that one based off of an existing maneuver?

Level 5 was just a guess on my part, I shall fix spacing isues.

All of these are the existing maneuvers from the 9 disciplines.  The generic names are because you can design your own discipline in my system.  Once I get them balanced against each other, I'll be adding lots of new stuff.

Sorry for the late reply, I just spent the last 36 hours in hospital trying to avoid surgery.

[Nanshork]

No worries, it's not like we've got a time limit.

I hope you're okay!

[bhu]

I'm ok, diverticulitis sucks tho. 

I'm thinking of changing some  of my versions of teh White Raven maneuvers.   For example under strikes compare Charge 1 or Morale Boost 1 to the others.  Most grant a bonus to you, while those two give a bonus to you and all allies within 60 ft.

[bhu]

Okay, time to start rebalancing maneuvers.  I may post the results elsewhere before editing them into the proper thread so i can get feedback before going to all the tiresome edits.

[Draco Dei]

Anyone have an objection to my merging the two aforementioned maneuvers?

Well, unless you are, in effect, getting rid of disciplines (a quick glance does not make it clear how much they still exist, but with the lines between them rendered less relevant), IIRC those are in two different ones, so it is probably worth it to keep them both?

[bhu]

omg I was just thinking about restarting this thread....

Not getting rid of disciplines so much as changing them to 'create your own."