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Handbooks & Resources => Handbook Discussion => Topic started by: nijineko on July 25, 2012, 01:50:45 AM
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Please discuss the Master Psionics List (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6317.0) here in the discussion thread.
Comments, suggestions, additions, clarifications and so forth are welcome!
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Interesting statistics...
829 line items (some duplicates from multiple sources)
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This must be the most comprehensive power list I've seen thus far; I'm impressed! Kudos for including the Dark Sun and Planescape powers. I note you've excluded the powers from Hyperconscious, though those are 3rd party anyway, and some are a bit wonky in terms of how they balance. No psionic rogue powers, though? (Not that I've ever seen that class played, but the extra powers could be useful for expanded knowledge feats, customized mantles, and favored discipline erudites...)
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Wow! Thank you!
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ara. thank you for that catch. i seem to have missed a few powers from the various mind's eye articles. including the psychic rouge specific ones. i will have to update my statistics and the master list.
my goal is to add only "official" powers, as defined by anything wotc has deemed official. thus it includes dragon (and will include dungeon when i get around to sifting through them), the official campaign websites material, wotc site material, and so forth. should anyone be willing to add in 3rd party material on a separate sheet, and send it to me, i will add it to the master list.
i have also debated adding the srd powers, as i seem to recall that a few of them are slightly different rules-wise, but i somewhat dread the work. perhaps i could only include specifically different powers and have a note in the sheet somewhere? anyone know for sure of differences between duplicated powers in the srd and other sources?
please be sure to let me know of any other things i may have missed! thanks again. i'll post here when i have updated the list with any missing mind's eye and article material.
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hmmm, wait a second. the psychic rogue powers are already in there! ^^ i call shenanigans.
nonetheless, i will double check all the articles to make sure that i put all the powers in there.
*edit: found some, mostly in the 3.0 area. adding tonight.
*edit 2: i'll need a while to get all the 3.0 powers added. i'll update the google doc once it is done.
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I have to say, I made great use of this yesterday. You got kudos for the list.
I will also point out that it's Psychic Rogue. Psychic rouge is something that psionic prostitutes use on their cheeks.
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thanks. =D
(i'm always getting the spellings wrong. i'll fix it.)
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by the way, i have been working on the list. i'm up in the 700s of powers now. however, i am wanting to only add the powers which are in the articles... i'm not sure i want to have to go through the psi handbook and pick out all the non-upgraded powers for inclusion, especially as i don't have an ocr version of the pdf file. (please note, i do own the hardcopy book.) especially irksome as they were still using power chains instead of augments.
this came up as some of the articles introduce 'improved' (but still 3.0) versions of powers in the psi hb. mostly, i don't mind doing individual entries copy-paste en masse for some reason, but typing out whole power descriptions somehow trips my lazy threshold.
suggestions? someone out there with a burning desire to have every 3.0 power as well?
(funny creepy story: as i was adding the various article powers, i came to the first article power with the evil descriptor, and went to my spreadsheet to add it in... and suddenly noticed that the last power i had perviously entered was on line 665. )
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The google doc has been updated to include my work through power #706. Please note that I am aware that it is unfinished. I will get back to it and continue from where I left off at some point. Especially if someone figures out a way that I don't have to type out full power descriptions.
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Powers added, now totaling 714.
Power list restructured to make each qualifying class and the level which said class accesses the power into separate columns to facilitate fine grained searching by specific class(es) and/or power level(s).
Mind's Eye web articles all added.
Prereq powers from the Psionics Handbook for Mind's Eye web articles also added.
Please note that unique 3.0 powers (ie: not updated to 3.5 anywhere official), be they in the Psionics Handbook or the Mind's Eye compiled pdf have not been added. This can be next if there is interest.
Changes saved to online doc, link in first post of handbook thread.
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Digging through some wtf junk, I found:
3.0e psi PrCs at epic
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/ei/ei20030110a
and the googlecache 'port of the oldest Ardent TG's guide.
http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5661.msg187778#msg187778
... and the next 2 posts are the rest of it.
This particular guide was done very early, as in before old C.O.
and old Psi-board figured on the Ardent ML power level trick.
So Niji might like it.
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Well, seems that this is more or less finished. let me know if anything else missed or relevant crops up.
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semi-randomly found a Mantles article in the wotc archive.
http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dd/20060428a
Has a different Earth mantle
AND ... (wait for it) ... a new Aura for the Divine Mind woo-hoo !!
oh
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i think i have that in the archive, if not in the psi-handbook.
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so, anyone else spot anything i missed?
if not i'm finished (barring stuff in dungeon magazine, as i've never managed to research that).
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It seems like the only powers on the Ardent's lists are the Ardent powers which debuted in C.Psi, which means a slew of missing Mantle powers.
I've been putting the power-lists & levels into a different column scheme, so I can easily filter by power-list.
When that's done, I'll add in the missing Mantle powers.
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It seems like the only powers on the Ardent's lists are the Ardent powers which debuted in C.Psi, which means a slew of missing Mantle powers.
I've been putting the power-lists & levels into a different column scheme, so I can easily filter by power-list.
When that's done, I'll add in the missing Mantle powers.
I think those powers are listed, only I probably put the Mantle as if it was a class?
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It seems like the only powers on the Ardent's lists are the Ardent powers which debuted in C.Psi, which means a slew of missing Mantle powers.
I've been putting the power-lists & levels into a different column scheme, so I can easily filter by power-list.
When that's done, I'll add in the missing Mantle powers.
I think those powers are listed, only I probably put the Mantle as if it was a class?
Look up Destiny Dissonance, the first power in the Chaos mantle. The copy of the sheet that I have only lists that power as Seer 1.
Look up Attraction, the first power in the Communication mantle. The copy of the sheet that I have only lists that power as Psion/Wilder 1.
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Thank you for the pointer. I shall look it up and make changes.
You have good timing, I'm actually working on v9 of the list within the last week or so... added the d20 Modern versions of the psionic powers to the list, fixed a few more typos, etc.
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Okay, neat.
I want to suggest re-working the "class / level" columns.
I've re-written them so it's possible to sort by class and see what's available, then filter by source / edition / etc. to narrow down your list for any particular game.
If you have a different way, that's cool, but the way that the old sheet does it is awful. Searching for domain / class powers is a complex query, which is probably why nobody ever asked "show me all powers in the Death mantle" and saw the obvious gaps.
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I am open to suggestions - feel free to teach me / provide examples.
I use LibreOffice, so some of it may be weird when opened in Office.
Better searchability / more logical = good in my book.
So, please, by all means....
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Each class should have a column so you can sort by power-level within a class.
For Mantles, I guess each one should also have a column. That part of the matrix will be quite sparse, but empty cells are basically free, so that's fine.
To test out a column scheme: make a character and try to use the sheet to search for relevant powers at each level.
In that vein, another nice-to-have would be a column that just calculates the minimum level for each power (for use with Expanded Knowledge). That's trivial to construct if each class & mantle list has its own column.
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Each class should have a column so you can sort by power-level within a class.
For Mantles, I guess each one should also have a column. That part of the matrix will be quite sparse, but empty cells are basically free, so that's fine.
Not a bad idea.
To test out a column scheme: make a character and try to use the sheet to search for relevant powers at each level.
In that vein, another nice-to-have would be a column that just calculates the minimum level for each power (for use with Expanded Knowledge). That's trivial to construct if each class & mantle list has its own column.
Not sure I get how this would be constructed. I can see the value in knowing the lowest level any given power appears at on any of the lists. For example the Sangehirn gets a few powers at different levels than other classes, and so forth, being able to take a power at a lower level than normal means more room for augments and metapsionic feats.
So, do you mean an entry listing what the lowest level the power appears at?
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Working on version 10 of the Master Power List with super improved searching capabilities.
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Version 10 is confirmed, and is in progress.
How many people would be interested in a cross-edition listing of psionics in D&D as a whole?
Given that different editions of D&D are not cross-compatible and are basically different games, it would be a curiosity, but nothing more.
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Version 10 is confirmed, and is in progress.
How many people would be interested in a cross-edition listing of psionics in D&D as a whole?
Given that different editions of D&D are not cross-compatible and are basically different games, it would be a curiosity, but nothing more.
Well, it looks like I'm including previous editions' psionics after all - in the forthcoming v12.