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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2014, 02:45:40 PM »
Historically, there've been LA+0 , LA+1 , and LA+2 listings.
Probably because of the basic playableness.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2014, 05:37:49 PM »
I added the SLA/casting thingie because asking what templates provide them seem to be popular questions.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2014, 02:28:26 AM »
Oh and I like where you're going with the template for te moment fire.  Let me collate all the necessary data in the main thread and then we can table it.  I'm finding lots of mistakes I made as I go along

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2014, 07:11:50 AM »
I added the SLA/casting thingie because asking what templates provide them seem to be popular questions.
I agree that that's a popular question. But I'm just not sure what people are actually getting out of a generic "yes," rather than a more specific "this template gives you X and Y and Z." Can anyone clarify this for me?

Oh and I like where you're going with the template for te moment fire.  Let me collate all the necessary data in the main thread and then we can table it.  I'm finding lots of mistakes I made as I go along
Cool. I'll keep working on it then. I'm just working off of the master list you posted, and checking the sources myself. (I don't have all of the books, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.)

Question: For "stat changes," instead of giving the actual changes in a format like I currently have in the table, do you think it would be more useful to break it into 6 different columns, and just put in a "+" or "-"? It gets a little less specific, but much more useful for sorting.


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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2014, 01:15:24 PM »
I haven't read the other posts in the discussion thread, but I thought I'd let you know that your link to the Resteless Prey Creature Template doesn't work.

This should get you there though:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20030531a

Yours is:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20030531a0

I think it just has a '0' tacked onto the end by mistake.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2014, 05:46:17 PM »
Thanks sj  :D

Fire: mebbe we can do some polling on the casting/stats thingie?

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2014, 08:15:21 PM »
Second option: Maybe divide it into two tables, one for stuff that most temlates would have, and another for templates that have odd stuff like the casting/SLA's

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2014, 09:35:35 PM »
Second option: Maybe divide it into two tables, one for stuff that most temlates would have, and another for templates that have odd stuff like the casting/SLA's
Certainly one way to go. What do you think about this split:

Both get Template Name and Source, of course.

1st table:
*Old Type
*New Type
*Subtype
*Stats (6 individual columns with +/-/[blank] instead of actual numbers)
*LA
*CR
*Other Prereqs

2nd table:
*Size
*Alignment
*SLAs
*Notes/Other

For 3.0 Material, maybe we do a gray highlight of the entire line? (Also, we could potentially put a column into the first table saying "see 2nd table," and then we could leave ones out of the second table that didn't have any of those categories...)

I'd love to be able to do the same thing to Old Type that I want to do with the stats, but there's no way there's enough room for that.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 10:36:15 PM »
Sounds good so far.  Anyone have anything to add?

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2014, 01:21:37 AM »
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TemplateSourceOld TypeNew TypeSubtypeLACROther PrereqsStrDexConIntWisCha
Abomination DragonspawnBoK p26H, MHMH(as creator)+10Dragonspawn Template-4-4
Acidborn MonsterDung p111An, MB, P, V-/MB(augmented)-+1Living, corporeal, [aquatic]+4
Air Element CreatureMoP p191Ab, An, MB, P, VEAir-VarCorporeal+6
Anarchic CreatureMoP p198Special-Chaotic-VarCorporeal, native to the Material plane
Ankholian UndeadBoK p121U--+3+2Corporeal+4+4
Axiomatic CreatureMoP p197Special-Lawful-VarCorporeal, native to the Material plane
BloodragerBoK p78An, MB, VMB-+2Var-+4+4-2
Child of the SeaBoK p40HFAquatic+2+1Non-aquatic+2-2
Cold Element CreatureMoP p195Ab, An, MB, P, VECold-VarCorporeal
Dark Thrall of OnysabletBoK p80Special--+3+2Male human/elf/ogre+2+2+2
Death Knight of KrynnDCS p212HU-+5Var6+ HD+4+2+2
Dragon VassalBoK p29G, H, MHMH(elemental)+2+1-+8+4+6
DragonspawnDCS p222H, MHMH(as creator)VarVarCorporeal, between small & large??????
Dungeonbred MonsterDung p112Ab, An, MB, V---0Living, corporeal, large++4+4
Earth Element CreatureMoP p192Ab, An, MB, P, VEEarth-VarCorporeal+2-2
Fire Element CreatureMoP p193Ab, An, MB, P, VEFire-VarCorporeal
ForestmasterBoK p83MB, An--0+3If animal, awakened+2+2+4+4+4
Guardian MonsterDung p113Ab, An, MB, V-/MB(augmented)-+1Living, corporeal, Int 3-+4-2
Gurik Cha'ahlBoK p46Special--+1+1Goblinoid Subtype+4+2-2
Half-ElementalMoP p188AnyOu--+2Corporeal, Int 4+??????
Hivenest MonsterDung p115C, P, U, V---VarSpecial
PetitionerMoP p199AnyOu--+1-
Proto-CreatureBoK p89Ab, D, G, H, MB, MH, Oz, U--0VarCorporeal+4+2-2-4
Pseudonatural CreatureMoP p212AnyOu--VarCorporeal
Sacred GuardianBoK p92C-Augmented, (aligned)0+2Non-intelligent+4+4+4+4
Sea DragonspawnBoK p29H, MHMH(as creator)+2+2Corporeal, between small & large+6+4+2+4
Sentry OozeDung p114Oz---+2Living, corporeal, no Int+6+2+1+1
Shadow CreatureMoP p190AnyMB--+1Corporeal
Skeletal WarriorDCS p229HU--+13+ HD+2
SkorenoiBoK p96F, H, MHMHChaoticVarVarCorporeal, possess bestial traits+4+2+2
Spectral MinionDCS p230G, H, MHUIncorporeal-+1-+4
Tainted-BloodBoK p98Ab, F, G, H, MHMH-+1Var-+2+4
Water Element CreatureMoP p194Ab, An, MB, P, VEWater-VarCorporeal
WichtlinBoK p132SpecialUAugmented+4+2Elf/Half-elf/Animal Companion+4-4+4
Wood Element CreatureMoP p196Ab, An, MB, VP--VarCorporeal

TemplateSourceSLAs?ALSizeOther
Abomination DragonspawnBoK p26---Roll for Mutation Benefits
Acidborn MonsterDung p111---
Air Element CreatureMoP p191-Usually N-3.0 Material
Anarchic CreatureMoP p198-Always C-3.0 Material
Ankholian UndeadBoK p121-Any E-
Axiomatic CreatureMoP p197-Always L-3.0 Material
BloodragerBoK p78-Always E-
Child of the SeaBoK p40Y--
Cold Element CreatureMoP p195-Usually N-3.0 Material
Dark Thrall of OnysabletBoK p80-Always CE-
Death Knight of KrynnDCS p212YAlways E-
Dragon VassalBoK p29---
DragonspawnDCS p222---Cast as 1st level Sorcerer
Dungeonbred MonsterDung p112---1
Earth Element CreatureMoP p192-Usually N-3.0 Material
Fire Element CreatureMoP p193-Usually N-3.0 Material
ForestmasterBoK p83YAlways N-Cast as a Druid of your HD
Guardian MonsterDung p113---
Gurik Cha'ahlBoK p46---
Half-ElementalMoP p188Y--3.0 Material
Hivenest MonsterDung p115---
PetitionerMoP p199---3.0 Material
Proto-CreatureBoK p89-One step towards C+2/+1/0
Pseudonatural CreatureMoP p212---3.0 Material
Sacred GuardianBoK p92---
Sea DragonspawnBoK p29---Cast as 1st level Sorcerer
Sentry OozeDung p114---
Shadow CreatureMoP p190---3.0 Material
Skeletal WarriorDCS p229-Always NE-
SkorenoiBoK p96-Always CE-
Spectral MinionDCS p230---
Tainted-BloodBoK p98-Always CE-
Water Element CreatureMoP p194-Usually N-3.0 Material
WichtlinBoK p132YAlways NE-
Wood Element CreatureMoP p196-Usually N-3.0 Material
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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2014, 11:22:31 PM »
I'm managing to edit in 3-4 books a day.  Man this is gonna be a while...

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2014, 01:12:07 AM »
Should I continue with the tables as-is(/are)? If you want me to add something, I'd like to do it now, so as to minimize the number of templates I have to look at multiple times.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2014, 02:35:35 PM »
You're good.  The only thing I would mention is beware templates with multiple sources as I'll be using the newest one. 

If there are templates with different abilities but similar names (Half-Ogre comes to mind) I'll list both.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2014, 02:53:15 AM »
Several of the BoK templates were updated and made unplayable, the one that I caught first was Forestmaster.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2014, 03:41:41 AM »
Where were they updated at?

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2014, 04:30:41 AM »
How many variations on the Pseudonatural Template are there?  I notice the one from Epic is a helluva lot nastier than the one from complete arcane...
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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2014, 04:54:13 PM »
How many variations on the Pseudonatural Template are there?  I notice the one from Epic is a helluva lot nastier than the one from complete arcane...
Pretty sure those two are it.  While they are related, I think that they are supposed to be two different templates.  Lords of Madness reprinted the Complete Arcane version.
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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2014, 11:36:11 PM »
Where were they updated at?

Bestiary of Krynn Revised. Page number is in the list.

EDIT: It's forestmaster and sacred guardian.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 12:25:22 AM »
Well the handbook will be for DM's too.  So I'll still be listing templates that won't be taken by players.  After all I can't see anyone ever taking Petitioner yet I still have it.

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Re: Template Handbook Discussion
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2014, 02:16:49 AM »
Sorry it's taking so long guys.  There's a lotta stuff to go through.

Also it appears I may be getting sued by the state of ohio...I'm hoping I can work something out without losing all my stuff.