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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2015, 10:33:15 AM »
I was kidnapped today. By feminists.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2015, 12:48:46 PM »
I was kidnapped today. By feminists.

At least they allowed you internet access. (Context, plz?)
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2015, 05:06:15 PM »
I was kidnapped today. By feminists.

At least they allowed you internet access. (Context, plz?)

Think long and hard about what today is.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #103 on: April 01, 2015, 05:15:41 PM »
I'm pregnant.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #104 on: April 01, 2015, 06:31:23 PM »
I was kidnapped today. By feminists.

At least they allowed you internet access. (Context, plz?)

Think long and hard about what today is.

Not December 28th?

I keep forgetting that the rest of the world does it in April.

On an unrelated note, I just got a job at a lumberjacking firm. The pay's great, and all, but... I thought I'd be doing something else with my summer.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #105 on: April 02, 2015, 02:45:46 AM »
Now that I'm having to use it i cannot believe how absolutely borked the d20 modern wealth system is.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #106 on: April 02, 2015, 02:48:04 AM »
Now that I'm having to use it i cannot believe how absolutely borked the d20 modern wealth system is.

I found a way to convert wealth into gold.  It tells you how to convert it into dollars, so from there you keep in mind 1 gold = $4.5.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #107 on: April 02, 2015, 02:56:59 AM »
d20 modern doesnt use monetary units it uses wealth checks.  Which doesn't seem bad until you see the rules for using said wealth and selling off stuff...

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #108 on: April 02, 2015, 02:58:22 AM »
Well they actually have a chart to show what said check would be the equivalent to.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2015, 03:38:38 AM »
I have not been able to find that!  Can you point me to it, God knows my group might prefer it a helluva lot more!

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2015, 03:17:07 PM »
at least it's better than playing d20 accountant.....,it's meant to be abstract but yeah it has some issues......Psysama how much gold is a house and down payment and mortgage in d20 modern?

Here's a nice article that talks about the wealth system http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20modern/bp/20030304a

and the chart is Table 7-1: page 204

I perfer the wealth system from d20 modern over GURPS when it comes to playing in the present.....

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2015, 04:04:25 PM »
Omg thats even worse.  One PC will be a multi millionaire for selling a few rifles, and the others will be paupers!

I need to set down and redo the wealth system for this thing to something that makes sense.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2015, 05:42:06 PM »
Omg thats even worse.  One PC will be a multi millionaire for selling a few rifles, and the others will be paupers!

I need to set down and redo the wealth system for this thing to something that makes sense.

Well There are two main reasons why this gambit can't actually work. The first is that the sale value of any item a hero sells is 3 points lower than its purchase DC. So each of those items he bought at a purchase DC of 14 has a sale value of 11. With each sale, the character regains Wealth bonus equal to what he would lose in buying such an item -- in this case, +1d6 points for the first item (since its sale value is 11 points higher than the hero's current Wealth bonus), then 1 point for each additional item (sale value 1-10 points higher than the player's now slightly higher Wealth bonus), until his Wealth bonus reaches +11. Once it hits that level, it can't be increased with further sales of those items, so the hero can't work his Wealth bonus back up to its original +15 this way.

And here's the kicker -- it takes 1 hour per point of purchase DC to buy something, and 1 hour per point of sale value to sell it. (GMs are welcome to ignore this rule for common items, but it should be enforced when a player is trying to blatantly play the system.)
 
Thus, it takes 25 hours to buy one item at a purchase DC of 14, then resell it at a sale value of 11. That's at least two days, if the GM is generous with the amount of time per day he allows the hero to spend wheeling and dealing. Taking full advantage of the resale option (that is, selling enough of the unwanted items to get the hero's Wealth bonus back up to +11) would likely require selling eight or nine such items. That's a total of 16 to 18 days spent doing nothing but buying and selling for 12 or more hours per day. Meanwhile, the other heroes are out adventuring, getting things done, and probably hauling in plenty of XP and Wealth.

So,while he's making money, the rest of the party is leveling up

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #113 on: April 02, 2015, 05:56:04 PM »
Nephew just came out as both suicidal and trans to his mom.  As she's decided to date a conservative gun nut 20 years younger than her.  This will not end well

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #114 on: April 02, 2015, 09:12:25 PM »
Nephew just came out as both suicidal and trans to his mom.  As she's decided to date a conservative gun nut 20 years younger than her.  This will not end well

Oh dear, that definitely won't end well.  >_<  I hope your nephew's able to get the support he needs to both stay alive and transition okay.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #115 on: April 02, 2015, 09:20:50 PM »
I have not been able to find that!  Can you point me to it, God knows my group might prefer it a helluva lot more!
Page 204 in the D20 Modern Handbook, table 7-1 Purchase DCs
With this table, a bit of comparing and a lot of work I was able to figure out 1 gold is worth 4.5 dollars ($1 = 2/9 gold)
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #116 on: April 02, 2015, 09:41:51 PM »
at least it's better than playing d20 accountant.....,it's meant to be abstract but yeah it has some issues......Psysama how much gold is a house and down payment and mortgage in d20 modern?

Here's a nice article that talks about the wealth system http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20modern/bp/20030304a

and the chart is Table 7-1: page 204

I perfer the wealth system from d20 modern over GURPS when it comes to playing in the present.....
Average home (in the US) is about $222,200 or 49,377 Gold, 7 Silver, and 8(rounded up) Copper
Average down payment is 5 to 10 % or 2,468 G 8 S9 C to 4,937 G 7 S 8 C
I have no idea on a mortgage...sorry.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2015, 11:57:35 PM »
Calculating mortgage is a bit of a pain.  I guess it'd be best to use the average interest rate and loan time?  I think the time will average to between 15 and 20 years.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2015, 12:23:50 AM »
Nephew just came out as both suicidal and trans to his mom.  As she's decided to date a conservative gun nut 20 years younger than her.  This will not end well

...Jesus fucking Christ, that's a tragedy waiting to happen.  :twitch

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Re: The Small Rants Thread X: Turn Down for Bitchin'
« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2015, 03:11:36 AM »
at least it's better than playing d20 accountant.....,it's meant to be abstract but yeah it has some issues......Psysama how much gold is a house and down payment and mortgage in d20 modern?

Here's a nice article that talks about the wealth system http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20modern/bp/20030304a

and the chart is Table 7-1: page 204

I prefer the wealth system from d20 modern over GURPS when it comes to playing in the present.....
Average home (in the US) is about $222,200 or 49,377 Gold, 7 Silver, and 8(rounded up) Copper
Average down payment is 5 to 10 % or 2,468 G 8 S9 C to 4,937 G 7 S 8 C
I have no idea on a mortgage...sorry.

How do you handle credit cards and stocks and bonds and all those other things that are part of wealth? I mean your way i guess works unless some one says they plan to buy stuff using a credit card or go to do a loan, i hope you don't expect the PCs to keep all that gold on them lol