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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2015, 10:46:32 PM »
Gee's i'm gone for three days and this nonsense
Also @Amechra
It does a huge disservice to allow a falsity to bear the same validity as a truth; its a matter of integrity, not dick-measuring.

anyway

One of the more interesting quirks of the psionic system is the use of Unknown Powers.

The Basic point to make in this situation is that a Psion, utilizing these rules, may carry around powerstones and temporarily add to their spells known, manifesting the power without flushing the powerstone, but paying all the costs themselves. Although not terribly useful in a combat situation, the fact remains that when you do have two to three rounds available, you can round out your psions rather limited power known list with a "utility belt" of various niche powers.

The ability to temporarily use the equivalent of scrolls (powerstones) to add to your known/prepared spells for the day (for a round) is unique to psionics and is not replicated in divine or arcane, (with the exception of runestaffs i believe.)

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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2015, 12:43:33 AM »
Also @Amechra
It does a huge disservice to allow a falsity to bear the same validity as a truth; its a matter of integrity, not dick-measuring.

It was dick measuring. Maybe you didn't think it was, but it was.



Two fun things:

Silverwood Arcanist is 5/5 casting and gives your Wild Cohort Share Spells at 5th level. Not the best PrC, but it's decent if you want to make a mounted arcane caster for some reason.

You can have both an Animal Companion and a Wild Cohort - sadly enough, Wild Cohort is stronger than a Ranger's Animal Companion. So it's a straight-up buff for Rangersthat aren't planning on sharing too many spells with their companions.

Fun fact: Since you can select alternate Animal Companions for your Wild Cohort at a delayed rate (which is still better than the rate Rangers get). Therefore, you can arguably use any of the expanded Animal Companion options you can get through feats.
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2015, 06:13:58 AM »
Silverwood Arcanist

You accidentally broke the url. http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031209a
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2015, 09:10:09 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2015, 09:26:02 PM »
Silverwood Arcanist

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I'd rather just take this, and then that feat that "catches you up" on your AC progression by +4 (like Practiced Spellcaster. I forget the name. If you really want to have an AC and a familiar, you can always take Obtain Familiar.

Sure, at the higher levels your AC will fall behind... but on the plus side, you saved 5 PrC levels that you can spend on something that's actually good, like Iot7V, Incantatrix, or Fatespinner.

I mean... Silverwood Arcanist isn't terrible (at least it doesn't lose CLs), but it does have an opportunity cost.
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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2015, 08:10:55 PM »
A dip into Urban Savant offers a relatively easy way to meet the skill prereqs for Unseen Seer for a wizard, and they fit together very well thematically.
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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2015, 10:23:33 PM »
I don't see this in the compiliation, and maybe it would better belong in Bunko's, but the Shadow Cloak is an absolutely amazing item for the price. Ever wanted Abrupt Jaunt on a non-Conjurer? Now you can have it!
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2015, 04:08:37 PM »
Hmmm, surely this has been mentioned before:

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Once the total of a character’s class levels (not including any Hit Dice from his creature type or his level adjustment) reaches three times his level adjustment, his level adjustment is eligible to be decreased by 1.

The character must pay an amount of XP equal to (his current ECL – 1) × 1,000. This amount is immediately deducted from the character’s XP total. The deduction should reduce the character’s effective character level (ECL) by 1. (If this deduction would not reduce the character’s ECL by 1, the character’s XP total is set at the maximum of the level below his current ECL instead.) This XP cost can’t be reversed in any way, and the payment must be voluntary on the part of the character. The payment must be made immediately upon becoming eligible to reduce the character’s level adjustment.


so, for an LA +1 character with no racial hit dice the minimum needed is 3 character levels. this equals a total ECL of 4. this means a minimum of 6,000xp in order to qualify, since LA+1 counts as one level for xp level calculations. buyoff costs (ecl-1)*1,000xp. for this character to buyoff the LA they will have to spend 3,000xp. this will buyoff the LA and drop the level from 4 to 3. the character now has 3 class levels, the powers from the LA+1 level, no LA, and is 3,000xp behind everyone else.

according to the template as level rules, additional levels of LA can be acquired the same as a normal level. thus to take another LA+1 the character must gain 3,000xp, reaching level 4, and then take the next LA+1 level. This puts the character at ECL 4 with 3 class levels, again qualifying for LA buyoff. this buy off would reduce the character to 3rd level again for another 3000 xp, with the abilities of two level adjustments, no LA, and they would now be 6,000xp behind everyone else.

keep on adding +1 LA ad infinitum at 3000xp a pop. abused, this would result in a 3rd level or 4th ECL character with an insane number of abilities derived from LA-based templates.



i probably missed something, and not that any GM would actually allow this, but if it's right, it's a fun bit of TO.
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2015, 12:24:57 PM »
From Forge of War p120 is the intercepting weapon property (+1 equivalent, melee only). Once per round when someone attempts to charge, bull rush, overrun or grapple you, you can attack them first as a free action which doesn't count as an AoO. If you hit then you deal double damage, and a charging opponent loses their normal +2 bonus to attack rolls.

Combine with steadfast boots to attack charging enemies twice.

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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2015, 10:18:17 PM »
Hmmm, surely this has been mentioned before:
*sigh*
Yes it's been mentioned before.

And so has the next few paragraphs. Because the section you quoted from only applies to LA's of +1.
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If the level adjustment is greater than +1, this process repeats until the creature’s level adjustment reaches +0. Each time, use the creature’s current level adjustment to determine the point at which the level adjustment can go down by 1. For example, a drow (level adjustment +2) may drop to level adjustment +1 after gaining her sixth class level, and then to +0 after gaining an additional three class levels.
Now at this point I'm sure you want to try one of two things.
A. I think repeat means start at 0 and redo 0 NI times!
B. In the single LA entry it uses the word total, that totally applies right?!
And both are them are pretty dumb. You have six examples and a table quantifying the meaning of repeat and you don't get a browny button, or a pass, to ignore them.
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Table 1–1: Reducing Level Adjustments gives the levels at which level adjustments are eligible to be reduced for starting level adjustments of +1 to +6.
And the text entry outside of examples does in fact make a clear distinction of simply "LA" vs starting LA.

And bonus point. I have no idea where you're going with that emphasis on immediately there seeing how it's in total opposite in regard for your intended goal. You have the choice of paying it or not "immediately upon becoming eligible" and eligibility is checked when you reach, ie level up to, the desired value. So if you were ever higher than the desired value, either by refusing to pay now or really sucked at reading, there isn't actually any text supporting the interpretation that you can buy your LA off if your total has already passed up the moment you were at the desired value. It makes sense to allow buy off later on, but if you came in RAWhumburg this or RAWhumbug that, it's the exact thing you wouldn't want to bring up.

Purposely bad reading are as always, purposely bad readings. If you wanted to subvert LA, consider things like True Mind Switch, Fusion, Ability Rip, Manipulate Form, Assume Supernatural Ability, Factotum 15, etc. I mean, there are ways to actually do it without having to pick up a funny smell just to achieve something Spellcasters can already do for free.
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2015, 03:19:27 PM »
thank you, soro_lost.

i was pretty confident i had missed something, and i was pretty sure i could count on you (or one or two others) to point it out to me.

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2015, 06:12:25 PM »
thank you, soro_lost.
You took that better than expected.

I think you've learned how to ignore some of my text and pull what's useful out. gj.
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2015, 01:49:38 AM »
thank you, soro_lost.
You took that better than expected.

I think you've learned how to ignore some of my text and pull what's useful out. gj.

Question:  If you know what's generally going to be useful in your posts, why do you bother putting the other stuff in?

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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2015, 02:36:20 AM »
Would it change any if you took only acquired templates?  Start off with LA +1, buy it off, acquire new template, buy it off. 
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2015, 05:10:15 PM »
If you stick to acquired templates, and are able to acquire them at exactly 4th level, then yes.  Unless the "starting level adjustment" is read strictly as applying to LA that was present before taking any levels.

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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2015, 05:14:08 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2015, 05:23:26 PM »
From Forge of War p120 is the intercepting weapon property (+1 equivalent, melee only). Once per round when someone attempts to charge, bull rush, overrun or grapple you, you can attack them first as a free action which doesn't count as an AoO. If you hit then you deal double damage, and a charging opponent loses their normal +2 bonus to attack rolls.

Combine with steadfast boots to attack charging enemies twice.

Niice.  I've been wondering about that
since it came out.  Caelic may have (hazy)
noticed it first, but no connections til now.

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« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2015, 01:43:38 AM »
Question:  If you know what's generally going to be useful in your posts, why do you bother putting the other stuff in?
If you're going to note your sentence is a question by using a the question mark, why did you start off like that? Also, I'm picking up a sort of harsh tone from that post. Almost a little condescending, but I consider that to be pretty worthless so I've ignored it and picked up what I consider to be relevant out of your message: "you're sassy today".  :)

You never know what's going to stick when you start throwing words out, sometimes the extra words help plaint a clearer picture in the mind of the reader and sometimes they have the opposite effect. But one thing is known for sure, no one likes the grammer nazi and I suspect the editor nazi isn't too far off from that position.

Would it change any if you took only acquired templates?  Start off with LA +1, buy it off, acquire new template, buy it off.
When a character with a level adjustment advances in experience, the level adjustment he started with becomes more and more of a burden. Eventually, the benefits of the creature type may come to be eclipsed by those of his class features, and the player may regret his choice of race. Under this variant system, the character can pay an XP cost at certain intervals to decrease the burden of his level adjustment.
Otherwise that'd be a pretty entertaining thought.
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2015, 02:20:41 AM »
Personality is key.

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2015, 03:54:58 AM »
When a character with a level adjustment advances in experience, the level adjustment he started with becomes more and more of a burden. Eventually, the benefits of the creature type may come to be eclipsed by those of his class features, and the player may regret his choice of race. Under this variant system, the character can pay an XP cost at certain intervals to decrease the burden of his level adjustment.
Otherwise that'd be a pretty entertaining thought.

So you're saying that it's impossible to buy off a Level Adjustment that you didn't start the game with?  Interesting.  I'd honestly never considered that, since it's such a straightforward extrapolation. 
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