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Re: 1st Chess , then Go , now US Air Force , when D&D ?
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2017, 05:06:22 PM »
here We GO


A generalized version AlphaZero just got put out.
It learns on it's own, without previous human sources.
It beat the best a.i. versions of Shogi in 2 hours , Chess in 4 hours , and "AlphaGo Zero" in 8.

Fancy paper ---> https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01815
News writeup A ---> https://venturebeat.com/2017/12/06/google-deepmind-repurposed-its-alphago-ai-to-beat-the-best-chess-and-shogi-bots/
News writeup B ---> https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/6/16741106/deepmind-ai-chess-alphazero-shogi-go

I don't pretend to understand ... but ... anything "quantize-able" (to paraphrase PLZ) about d&d, it'll get'r done.  Maybe soon too.
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Re: 1st Chess , then Go , now US Air Force , when D&D ?
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2017, 09:09:33 AM »
Interesting. I wonder how much these systems invent their own internal meta-game, and if that effects how good they are at dealing with some more human-intuitive scenarios? Independent of the different strengths and weaknesses of the human and computer player.

The problem with getting a AI to play D&D is that D&D is fundamentally poorly defined. Both in rules (which often require rulings or disambiguations) and in objectives (which are kinda ??? in computation terms). Once computers have empathy and natural language and speech ect. down (i.e. notime soon), they will be able to take a crack at D&D.

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Re: 1st Chess , then Go , now US Air Force , when D&D ?
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2017, 04:50:13 PM »
Stuff like i.p.proofing and anything simple math like a +1 blanket ability vs a +2 small use ability , is definitely fair game for a.i.

But yeah, so much of the game is semantics, english language logic + usage quirks, leadership, divinations, etc.


Chess based sites now have up longer write-ups about the AlphaZero games.
Tossing so much 1000+ year tradition aside, for tactics unimagined until these games happened.
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Re: 1st Chess , then Go , now US Air Force , when D&D ?
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2019, 03:37:56 PM »
Star Talk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson, had a good one.

His astro co-host Charles Liu said (~paraphrasing) :   "I do open book exams, I do open internet exams.  We have to be smarter than a google search."

I found this tweet :
Charles Liu @chuckliu 26 Nov 2018
Are my exams really open internet? Ask my students... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/watch/57842686b7482a6c6684e8d534b838cb/ …
links to season 5 episode 3.


I'll pat myself on the back then ... because I'm at least as smart as his freshmen (the googling part).
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