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Famous Optimized Character Builds
« on: August 17, 2016, 03:40:04 PM »
I was so happy to have found this...
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 08:41:24 PM »
Meh to the link, so have a tl;dr take on the builds that dropped their dated optimization attempts with a bunch cynicism to reinflate the post back up to more than two paragraphs.

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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2016, 11:34:35 PM »
I was amused by your summaries. Thanks for your contribution. :P
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 01:02:14 AM »
You know, if Thrallherd/Verminlord get a post, I suppose I need to up my salesmanship.
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2016, 11:05:27 PM »
I started to read the first response but then I stopped. at the first few. Exemplar does say "an exemplar can use her skill artistry to improve the attitude of NPCs" and "replace the diplomacy check with a check using the chosen skill". There is no converse logical flaw here. You clearly are making a diplomacy check and doing so with jump / profession(spelunking). Such a willy-nilly dismissal of all the above builds is odd considering the nature of the underlying criticism (they they didn't read the RAW close enough). Maybe I'll read through the others if you care to give more honest criticism.

@spoiler#2 Those entries need links to avoid digging
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except you shouldn't and BL shouldn't work that way either. Even if they did, you'd have way more broken applications than monk.

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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2016, 06:56:52 PM »
Maybe I'll read through the others if you care to give more honest criticism.
You should probably have finished the one you're complaining about before posting.

The critique wasn't about making a Diplomacy check in place of a Jump check but adding Jump's bonuses to your Diplomacy Check. It's like claiming that if you throw a crossbow you add both your Dexterity and Strength to the attack and damage rolls because you're using a ranged weapon as a throwable one.

except you shouldn't and BL shouldn't work that way either. Even if they did, you'd have way more broken applications than monk.
I agree on shouldn't but BL does apply to any Class calculations, for example in the purposes of calculating your Wild Shape it'd be Wild Monk + 3.

What you are thinking of is how Chaotic Monk obviously does not apply to Wild Monk's calculations since they are treating as separate Classes but why on earth do you think I'd claim that? It's a pun about how each of the Classes contains the word "Monk".
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2016, 07:56:32 PM »
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2016, 10:36:04 PM »
@spoiler#2 Those entries need links to avoid digging.
I'll probably just work on updating them simply because I can.


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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2016, 06:23:57 PM »
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2016, 07:10:08 PM »
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2016, 10:55:30 PM »
Maybe I'll read through the others if you care to give more honest criticism.
You should probably have finished the one you're complaining about before posting.

The critique wasn't about making a Diplomacy check in place of a Jump check but adding Jump's bonuses to your Diplomacy Check. It's like claiming that if you throw a crossbow you add both your Dexterity and Strength to the attack and damage rolls because you're using a ranged weapon as a throwable one.
What the Jumplomancer does is uses a Jump Check in place of a Diplomacy Check  That's what Exemplar lets you do: substitute any other skill for Diplomacy.  Jump just happens to be the easiest to get absurd bonuses on due to movement speed factoring in as well as everything else.

It never adds the two.
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2016, 03:42:35 PM »
I apparently had that backwards then, my insomnia was running a little high a week or two ago.

Also do we really need a new build every time someone brings up an Epic Spell? A 20th level Cleric using... Wait no I got an idea...
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2016, 11:38:53 AM »
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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 12:49:11 PM »
No church inquisitor? It's so easy, early entry, and gives lots of goodies including detect evil at will, a paladin staple.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 01:41:23 PM »
Oooh I likey.
Replaced Contemplative with it.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 02:04:36 PM »
Oh, hey, I'm on that list. Cool!

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Re: Famous Optimized Character Builds
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2016, 02:10:54 PM »
Who isn't?

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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2016, 10:03:47 PM »
Oooh I likey.
Replaced Contemplative with it.
You could replace cleric levels 4-5 with it...
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2016, 12:23:38 AM »
You could replace cleric levels 3-5 with it...
Yeah Zone of Truth is only 2nd level...

It presents a few considerations for tweaking which I have an idea of, I'll repatch it tomorrow.
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« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 02:32:36 PM »

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