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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #240 on: March 02, 2020, 09:16:00 PM »
That aside, two notable uses. Versatile Design for abuse with Sohei or Ascetic Style+Strike feats (use any melee weapon with monk abilities) and maybe something with Shield Brace (not really sure what though since spears and polearms have plenty of options already). It's also worth it for a lot of Path of War users who want their weapon to be from multiple disciplines. Tactically Adapted is both an alternative to the Bludgeoner feat (Even a full 3000 GP is way better than spending a feat) for Sap Master abuse and a way to get a reverse blade sword.
The use with strike feats has a few great possibilities. School Strike on a void wizard makes for a great gish option because of this ability:
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Now, note that this uses your caster level, not your wizard level. Thus, a 1-level dip or VMC wizard can give you this amazing rider effect. Slap it on a magus, or an occultist, or an alchemist. It's especially good with on-hit effects that call for saves, such as spell combat curses or a toxicant's poison.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #241 on: March 02, 2020, 11:49:52 PM »
School strike triggers after an unarmed strike, not the unarmed weapon group.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #242 on: March 03, 2020, 01:22:09 AM »
What? You still use Ascetic Style.

"While using this style and wielding the chosen weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike, as if attacks with the weapon were unarmed attacks."

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Prerequisite: Wizard school class feature, Improved Unarmed Strike."

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #243 on: March 03, 2020, 02:29:49 AM »
Oh! You were referring to use with that feat, not just the weapon mod. It has been a few days and that didn't come to mind because you didn't indicate it was what you were talking about.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #244 on: March 03, 2020, 09:28:00 AM »
Normally you can also use the Conductive weapon property, which will consume two uses of a supernatural or spell-like ability in order to channel it through a weapon, but it requires them to be touch attacks.

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« Reply #245 on: March 04, 2020, 01:32:09 AM »
I think the first idea I had was skipping Ascetic Style, going unarmed gish, and combining spellstrike effects with School Strike.

Here's an Oracle build. Ascetic mystery cyclopean seer of at least 12th level. Take Revelation Strike and Combat Stamina, as well as the Doomsaying and Oracular Spellstrike mysteries. Cast Quickened True Strike (From cyclopean seer bonus spells), then cast Harm and spellstrike it. Use Combat Stamina to activate Revalation Strike as a free action, applying Doomsaying to saves. Resolve this as revalation, then spell, then attack damage. You are almost guaranteed to hit and have them fail the save and the unarmed damage will  deal with the 1HP clause of Harm.

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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #246 on: March 05, 2020, 09:36:28 AM »
Don't class abilities that reference caster level mean the caster level in THAT class? Characters have a CL in each spellcasting class.
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« Reply #247 on: March 05, 2020, 03:38:24 PM »
yes, it'd use your wizard caster level. but that also allows things that boost that CL to help. Where just using wizard class level, there's not much that can boost that.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #248 on: March 26, 2020, 06:18:19 PM »
yes, it'd use your wizard caster level. but that also allows things that boost that CL to help. Where just using wizard class level, there's not much that can boost that.

Ah, I forgot that a lot of PF content is locked to class level, similar to the late 3.5 stuff like Warblade.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #249 on: March 26, 2020, 06:36:42 PM »
there's only a couple of prestige classes to increase your CLASS level, Evangelist and Winter Witch are the only two i can think of.

winter witch is broken, since by RAW it advances your overall casting 19 levels over the course of a 10 level PrC (9 from the spellcasting progression on the table and 10 from one of the abilities). it advances your non-spellcasting witch class abilities all 10 levels.

evangelist advances a chosen class's features 9 of the 10 PrC levels.
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Re: Fun Pathfinds
« Reply #250 on: March 27, 2020, 12:38:41 AM »
Don't class abilities that reference caster level mean the caster level in THAT class?

More or less. I recall there's some scattered statements that archetypes that give you an ability as another class let you qualify for things that require x levels in that class related to that ability