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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #240 on: October 07, 2018, 09:57:03 PM »
Bioweapons

Sensen Klingen (I) and Tentakel-dringt(VII) specify that they costs no energy but that seems to be the default.  A bunch make no mention of energy cost either way.
Good point, removed those mentions to avoid confusion.

A handful of bioweapons don't state their crit multiplier.
If no crit is stated then it's supposed to be standard x2 on a natural 20, added clause for that.

Verschlinger(III) has its range in feet, not mu.
Fixed.

Can you select multiple bioweapons that improve the built-in bite?
Yes.

Säure-Speichel(VI) should probably specify acid damage.

Vencom Kanone(IV) should specify that it does acid damage.
Despite the description, those are not supposed to deal actual acid damage since that would ignore all DR and would make Rending kinda pointless. Replaced the word "acid" from the description with "enzymes".

I have no idea how much ammo/energy cost mitigate things so I just made another table so that people better familiar with arsenal rules can easily see all of the math.  The table does not include suggested changes listed above.

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Thanks!

With regards to ammo and bioweapons it's probably a "try by experience" thing because the only way to recharge it is consuming food and who knows how hard that's going to be?

That's fair, after reading the "reload" rules I decided that if I ever played an Einst Queen I would probably just avoid bioweapons with ammo so I didn't have to deal with it.

If you think the ammo restriction is too harsh, I can also allow for other mecha reloading methods to work, like a Support Staff Mechanic's Reload and Arsenal cartridges that can be used for allied mecha or a Ship Captain with Veteran mechanics.
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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #241 on: October 07, 2018, 11:30:38 PM »
From a playability perspective allowing class features that allow reloading mecha ammo affect einsts makes sense.

From a flavor perspective I feel like there should be something of a tradeoff since we're talking technology vs biology

Something like when you birth an einst you have to choose if it reloads by eating or by other classes reloading it and only mecha scale gets that choice (since support staff, etc are only used to working on mecha scale).

This is just spitballing while Netflix is paused so take that for what it's worth. I just think that a feat is too much and the anyone can reload any einst doesn't make sense to me from an in game perspective.

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #242 on: October 07, 2018, 11:53:55 PM »
I can understand the "tech vs bio" point, but reloading already is pretty abstract in here since a Support Staff/cartridge can already reload any weapon in the run from energy pacs to assorted missiles to all kinds of bullets bullets to replacement blades to explosive stakes and whatnot.

A compromise at the top of my head is that einst could assimilate mecha ammo reloads (extract corrosive substances from batteries, explosives are also chemicals, metal can be used to reinforce claws, etc), but due to the difference of bio vs tech they'll only recover half of their weapon's ammo instead of the standard full refill per reload. How does that sound?

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #243 on: October 08, 2018, 01:09:25 AM »
That makes sense, and also is arguable from a tech vs bio perspective when it comes to healing living constructs who get half healing from heal spells.

Also it doesn't have any negative impacts on out of combat which is a plus. And less bookkeeping than my suggestion which is good.

It would need to be half rounded up since you have a bioweapon with 1 ammo.

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #244 on: October 08, 2018, 04:20:14 AM »
Ok, added the option with rounding up.

If there's no other pressing issues with the Einst Queen feel free to advance to another class.

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #245 on: October 13, 2018, 06:36:10 PM »
Ideal Idol

Needs Sense Motive as a class skill.

Other than that it's a bard with a spaceship.  Everything looks fine.


Magitech Knight

Should probably also have Sense Motive since it has so many other social skills.

For Code of Conduct, does a LN Magitech Knight choose alignment separately for each ability or once for all?

How does "she make up for her mistake threefold" to remove penalties?

The fluff implies that you can only have magitechniques from one list, is that the case?

I'm assuming that Code Explode is a SoD and that exploding=death?

Wren’s Flare says the damage is half fire/half electricity twice in the text.


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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #246 on: October 14, 2018, 04:18:55 AM »
Ideal Idol

Needs Sense Motive as a class skill.
Done.

Other than that it's a bard with a spaceship.  Everything looks fine.
Yay!

Magitech Knight

Should probably also have Sense Motive since it has so many other social skills.
Done too.

For Code of Conduct, does a LN Magitech Knight choose alignment separately for each ability or once for all?
Each ability.

How does "she make up for her mistake threefold" to remove penalties?
Good point, added a list of penitences for each specific code of conduct.

The fluff implies that you can only have magitechniques from one list, is that the case?
Yes, clarified.

I'm assuming that Code Explode is a SoD and that exploding=death?
Correct, clarified too.

Wren’s Flare says the damage is half fire/half electricity twice in the text.
Fixed.

Thanks for the review!

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #247 on: October 15, 2018, 07:13:53 PM »
Was thinking about pilot PRC, none of them seem to be choices for Real Pilots, or at least more pure ones.

Hahaha, yes, the prcs ended up being quite more on the Super side so far.

But as a coincidence I've been brainstorming some prcs which would fit more real concepts:

Veteran Pilot-Old grumpy person (literally needs to be Old to qualify), can take 10 on combat stuff X/round, Fearless, inspires allies or makes enemies afraid, can offer valuable advice, something 1x1 challenges.

Stealth Knight-Specialized in both stealthing around and protecting others and hitting hard even while remaining hard to find even when on a mecha.

Mecha Thief-Can temporally steal weapons/accessories/spirits/maneuvers, find secret passages even if there weren't supposed to be any.

Also still thinking about a Real Reporter specialized in collecting/manipulating information, but not sure if it should be a base class or prc.

If any of those interest you in particular I can work on finishing them first.

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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #248 on: October 16, 2018, 05:38:29 PM »
Was thinking about pilot PRC, none of them seem to be choices for Real Pilots, or at least more pure ones.

Why not Soul Soldier? You don't lose Real (or Super) advancement, just Arsenal. The additional hardpoints make one of the best things about Reals even better. The only thing you're completely giving up is bonus feats, which are more than made up for by the class features. The biggest downside I see is the Magitech Knight requirement, if you do mean an absolutely pure Real otherwise. Even Magitech Knight doesn't interrupt Real Robot/Arsenal advancement.

Edit: I was wrong, it still gets a bonus feat (getting one at level 5). Basically you give up a bit of arsenal for great stat boosts.

I actually have some issues with and questions about Soul Soldier. I should write those up soon, while they're still in my head.

Stealth Knight-Specialized in both stealthing around and protecting others and hitting hard even while remaining hard to find even when on a mecha.

Mecha Thief-Can temporally steal weapons/accessories/spirits/maneuvers, find secret passages even if there weren't supposed to be any.

It was only a matter of time until we got Mecha!Rogue after Ranger, Pally, Bard, Psychic Warrior, and Wilder all showed up :p
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Re: Great General Discussion and Suggestions II-Z
« Reply #249 on: October 17, 2018, 08:25:26 AM »
Lol, the Soul Pilot's flavor is too sour and over powering. I did read over it, and is alright.

Real Reporter seems interesting, but that seems more like a none mecha class.

Mecha Thief seems cool, as does Veteran. I don't imagine me playing an old guy anytime soon though lol.