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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2018, 07:35:41 PM »
hmm ... more than a few exploits available.

Friends cantrip means you're Friends right?
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CR 1s and then they gain one of the 3 classes.
CR 1s are < the CR 2s that Moon Druid 2 has been dominating with, so this is OK.
Basically way more race choices, and potential combos.

Warrior is preferable to Fighter at any number of levels.
Second Wind 1 level early, and Danger Sense > Str Save prof.
Battle Readiness > Barb 7.

Expert doesn't have Rogue's Sneak attack, but
Helpful is frontloaded Mastermind 3.
Jack makes it > at skills.
5 could will get whining about > Rogues Sneak.
Evasion without sneak+, is only where it starts to fall behind.
Inspiring Help makes Lore 5s cry.
Capstone is quite tasty, make Wiz Div 2s cry.

Spellcaster again needs line iteming comparisons.
Personally I'll bet Warlock is weaker, but the others
aren't necessarily weaker at all.
The 6 10 and 14 if in regular classes, would get lots of whining.
( ... obligatory c.o. says damage is least valuable tactic, but still)
And probably easier play style for less experienced players.

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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2018, 08:06:26 PM »
I'd imagine this is silly with chain Warlocks.
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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2018, 10:04:52 PM »
Warrior is preferable to Fighter at any number of levels.
It's a lesser Champion that trades Fighting Styles and Action Surge, and other related features from the worst Fighter choice, for circumstantial save boost and Advantage with Initiative. Meh.

I like how the spellcaster gets full 9th level slots as a Warlock through. Thats a thing right?

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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2018, 05:17:46 PM »
Oops, crossfired Action Surge with Second Wind. Yeah.
So ... Warrior is preferable to Fighter at 1 + 1/2 levels (wink).

Warlock is definitely the most changed of the casters.
But massive reduction of their Short Rest advantages.

Wilb - not sure how a Chainlock is supposed to happen,
but Volo's does have the Gazer box CL 3 thingy.

8wGremlin made this list of cr 1s :
        Modron/Tridrone/Quadron
        Vegepygmy
        Mephits
        Pixies!
        Quickling
        Phantom Warrior
        Brass/Copper Dragon Wyrmlings

Ranger Beast Master got lots of negative attention from giantitp.
As in pick another Ranger, and get a ++ BM Pet via the sidekick.
Goblin Revised Ranger Gloomstalker dip War Mage 2 with this alt BM.
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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 05:45:30 PM »
As in pick another Ranger, and get a ++ BM Pet via the sidekick.
Picking the 3rd level in a Class instead of a CR1 Creature that can only advance using Sidekick Classes really does sound exactly like something GitP's community would do.

8wGremlin made this list of cr 1s :
That's missing six CR1s, and several lower, out of Mordenkainen's (and probably every other rulebook) according to the already provided CR lists by the authors.

A good one seems to be the Stone Cursed on page 240. AC17 with 19hp, obtains Advantage on all AoOs and +1d10 dmg when it has an Advantage. Best part is Petrifying Claws which prompts a Save vs Restrained followed by Save vs (effectively) death.

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Dave the Stone Cursed Warrior (CR12)
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Karen the Quickling Expert (CR5)
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The Weighted Companion Cube (CR2)
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Re: Unearthed Arcana: Leadership returns with a kick to the sides.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 04:37:58 PM »
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/...26244519124997
"It's easy to forget that the Beast Master can get something like a sidekick in addition to a beast companion. The new option is additive; it doesn't replace the beast companion. And a DM might allow the beast companion to take the warrior class."

Not exactly a tweet-rata.


More CR 1s from MM:
Animated armor
Brown bear
Death dog
Dire wolf
Dryad
Faerie dragon (young)
Fire snake
Ghoul
Giant eagle
Giant hyena
Giant octopus
Giant spider
Giant toad
Giant vulture
Goblin boss (?)
Half-ogre
Harpy
Hippogriff
Imp / Quasit (skipping the Chainlock)
Kuo-toa whip
Lion
Quaggoth spore servant
Scarecrow
Specter
Spy (?? does this even qualify)
Swarm of quippers
Thri-kreen
Tiger
Yuan-ti pureblood (?)
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