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How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« on: March 04, 2019, 05:32:11 AM »
What it says on the tin. An opponent has Greater Concealing Amorpha and it works as RAW (total concealment, blocks targetting, not an illusion). How do you get around it?

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 06:13:17 AM »
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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 09:29:16 AM »
Assuming that Magic-Psi-Transparency is on as per default: The Pierce Magical Concealment feat.

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 09:16:36 PM »
It works "As Concealing Amorpha", which explicitly says you're still visible. So you're still targetable, but they have a 50% miss chance. It's basically the psionic version of Blink.
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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 07:18:18 AM »
It works "As Concealing Amorpha", which explicitly says you're still visible. So you're still targetable, but they have a 50% miss chance. It's basically the psionic version of Blink.

I read it as such until a couple of days ago, when it was pointed out to me that the PH glossary declares total concealment to block LoS (which, since GCA is CA except that you gain TC, would override), and per Rules Compendium you need LoS to target.

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 05:38:19 PM »
It works "As Concealing Amorpha", which explicitly says you're still visible. So you're still targetable, but they have a 50% miss chance. It's basically the psionic version of Blink.

I read it as such until a couple of days ago, when it was pointed out to me that the PH glossary declares total concealment to block LoS (which, since GCA is CA except that you gain TC, would override), and per Rules Compendium you need LoS to target.
But the big membranous "thing" that encases you is still clearly visible, meaning they know what square you're in and can target your square with attacks. This works for melee and ranged attacks (and they get a 50% miss chance). It might block spells that require you to select a target, though, depending on how you interpret it.
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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2019, 08:28:56 PM »
Big AoE (have a Hulking Hurler throw a temple at them) and/or Volley Fire attacks (from Miniatures Handbook of all places). Come to think of it, siege weapons such as a ballista might work as well.
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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2019, 06:34:24 PM »
What about area effects?

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2019, 02:57:20 AM »
The seeking enhancement.

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2019, 09:40:26 PM »
It works "As Concealing Amorpha", which explicitly says you're still visible. So you're still targetable, but they have a 50% miss chance. It's basically the psionic version of Blink.
Displacement is the 50% spell.  Same ball of wax, except True Seeing does bubkis against GCA.   
Blocks line of sight but not line of effect.  Eat the 50% miss chance and whack em with a stick.  Or run for a minute, the duration is trivial at 1r/level.  Or Negate Psionics/ Dispel Magic.  Or buy a Displacer Beast and let them annoy each other to oblivion.

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2019, 02:38:34 AM »
Reserves of Strength Hail of Stone with an insane CL would do the trick.  It doesn't care about miss chance, and has no save.  Sculpt to catch more than one of them to taste :-)

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Re: How do you beat Greater Concealing Amorpha?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2019, 10:08:44 PM »
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As concealing amorpha, except the quasi-real membrane so distorts your image and actual position that you gain total concealment (opponents have a 50% miss chance), but for a shorter period of time.

The power specifically states it’s a 50% miss chance... yes it blocks line of sight and line of effect, but it doesn’t negate targeting. And unlike most sources of total concealment, this source isn’t a solid object, it is a magical/psionic distortion of the space around you. You are not invisible, think of it more as a blink spell.