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PF2 ... is here
« on: August 02, 2019, 03:11:03 PM »
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2019, 05:31:20 PM »
Doesn't look like they've made it any less of a mess than the playtest. Also no sign of Take Ten.

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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2019, 03:51:02 PM »
This one has some of the lists up (like equipment).

http://pf2.d20pfsrd.com/
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2019, 06:09:33 PM »
I decided to do a clueless walk-through of the Fighter.
Fighters aren't my thing but it's a straightforward starting point.
I say Strength and key on damage (ho hum).
I start reading.

I don't see total damage climbing much past 25hp per round (right away).
Lots of small status effects.  Lots of defenses boosting.
Anybody who's played a 1e UA Fighter through 5e Fighter
will probably see a Fighter and think :  Fighter.

Revealng Stab [Two-Actions] Feat 6 ... caught my eye.
Easy rider on an attack, ~"Mass See Invisibility" and even Action Denial.
I like it.

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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2019, 04:17:57 PM »

... Also no sign of Take Ten.

Nockermensch posts the playtest chart, and Axebird follows with the new official one.
https://www.tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=57124&start=250
... feat for the special ability = anybody can be a 3e high level Rogue whenever.

Course I have no idea yet, but it looks like the same type of #s targets they used
in PF1's CMD.  And/or that weird 4e problem of a climb wall dc 15 this level
but somehow more difficult next level.  I doubt they intended that.
But honestly I have no real idea yet.
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2019, 04:23:05 PM »
early bird gets the worm guide

Wading Through Chaff: Edna's Quick Guide to Pathfinder 2e Ancestries, General Feats, and Skill Feats
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42oug?Wading-Through-Chaff-Ednas-Quick-Guide-to

decent explaining from the get-go

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paizo already had a 300+ post thread locked over the rarity rules.
Seems like a "damage on a miss" fluff conceptual problem, really.
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 07:33:08 PM »
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42p7j?PF2-Expected-Damage-by-Level-Comparisons
... leads to a goggledoc.  Posters mention 3 variants not tried.


"I don't see total damage climbing much past 25hp per round (right away)."
Ha, mostly wrong.

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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2019, 01:55:49 AM »
I am doing my best to obtain system mastery on the free SRD materials, perhaps for selfish monetary related purposes.  What's the general opinion on PF2 anyway?
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2019, 04:45:33 PM »
Opinions? 
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Snowsavant described the Skills system kinda like a funnel above level 10.
There's some minor grumpyness on paizo forums about : 
"Level 20 + Skill N" is somehow <<<< than "Level 1 + Skill N + Class Ability".
idk squat, but it seems like a type of role-protection.


1 maybe t.o.-ish build has popped up.  Let's call it :  Idiot MacGyver
JaseX gets the kudo, and graystone + Paradozen extend it.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42omn?Bards-Eclectic-Skill-Untrained-Improvisation

Hopefully they don't nerf the snot out of it, because it looks like enough of a "build Tax"
that no one has actually tried to make a real solid build of the rest of it.  Or play it.
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2019, 06:00:18 PM »
Opinions? 
Opinions ?!


Snowsavant described the Skills system kinda like a funnel above level 10.
There's some minor grumpyness on paizo forums about : 
"Level 20 + Skill N" is somehow <<<< than "Level 1 + Skill N + Class Ability".
idk squat, but it seems like a type of role-protection.


1 maybe t.o.-ish build has popped up.  Let's call it :  Idiot MacGyver
JaseX gets the kudo, and graystone + Paradozen extend it.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs42omn?Bards-Eclectic-Skill-Untrained-Improvisation

Hopefully they don't nerf the snot out of it, because it looks like enough of a "build Tax"
that no one has actually tried to make a real solid build of the rest of it.  Or play it.

Costs 2 feats and being human. I'd call that a pretty low barrier for "better at every skill than most specialists" especially when 5e Skills get more screentime than 3.5 skills. The Jack of All Trades bard is a 5e staple build after all.

EDIT: This line from Mark Seifter is really concerning...
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"The only positive numbers you can add to a check, ever, are ability modifier (if positive), proficiency modifier (if positive), item bonus, status bonus, circumstance bonus."
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Re: PF2 ... is here
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2019, 03:49:04 PM »
When you put it that way ...  :)

"+ Level" isn't on that list.
"trained only skill check" I don't know zip about to comment.

I vaguely recall a build circa pre-2004 that had a Negative AC to trigger all sorts of stuff.
Otto the Bugbear, was maybe the author, idk too hazy at this point ; clearly didn't catch on.

I do think the intentional Negative build part, is not something that non-informed would do.
Plus the part of a Level 1 + Skill N + Class ability, being better than Level 20 + Anti-Skill N
kinda keeps this at bay.
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