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Offline RobbyPants

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thoughts on Spirit Shaman
« on: November 06, 2019, 08:29:14 AM »
What are your overall thoughts on the Spirit Shaman class from Complete Divine?

It gets spells off the druid list. It has an odd casting mechanic that gives it a lot of flexibility. Sadly, it comes with dual-stat casting, which sucks. Other than that, it gets a weird set of class features as opposed to Wild Shape and Animal Companion.

If the casting were just based on Wisdom, how good would the class be?
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Re: thoughts on Spirit Shaman
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2019, 08:39:55 AM »
Being able to concentrate on a spell and cast new ones has some niche uses. Though the Druid spell list didn't really have many of those. I have played the class when I wanted to play a divine blaster and didn't want to deal with making statblocks for wild shape. Not having to prepare does have it's uses, and you can use wand healing just fine even if you never take the spells.

At higher levels Domain staves help a lot. The two stat thing isn't the worst if you don't mind getting you 19 Wis partly through magic items since it increases your Will saves and spot and listen checks (and they can will the role of scout in a pinch). You don't need Str or Int really at all and Dex is for leftovers. Making it single stat is actually better for Favored Soul since they tend to value all their melee stats more due to the nature of Cleric spells, but it would help some for bad rolls/lower PB.
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Re: thoughts on Spirit Shaman
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2019, 09:07:32 AM »
Generally I like the class - it does have the negative of the dual casting, but otherwise is a solid caster that can, within some notice, grab any useful spell off the druid list. Its abilities are a bit weird, but have a few niche uses here and there, and in general will fit nicely into a caster role in any party.

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Re: thoughts on Spirit Shaman
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2019, 03:22:28 PM »
I play one every Xmas for a holiday theme night. Warforged + Landforged Walker = Xmas tree. Also they put a full stop on spirit encounters and hence stopped many a Xmas past.

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Re: thoughts on Spirit Shaman
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2019, 03:31:53 PM »
Spirit Shaman is essentially a 5E caster or PF Arcanist. That's close enough to tier 1 with a good spell list. Problem is: Is the Druid list strong enough for them to be Tier 1 without cheese and the druid's class features? The list struggles to invalidate encounters that aren't animals or natural obstacle based. I know Wu Jen, Shugenja, and Witch (PF)  aren't generally considered tier 1 despite being prepared casters of 9th level spells because their lists aren't that great, while Beguiler/Dread Necromancer know cast ninth level spells off fairly narrow lists but are only tier 3, and Healer/Warmage have narrow and bad lists that make them only tier 4.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2019, 03:38:01 PM by Nanashi »