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Offline Inguma

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Help Support Bard or Druid
« on: March 25, 2020, 06:14:53 PM »
Help friends

I have always played wizard, although the adventure for one thing and another only lasts a couple of sessions.
Now in a new adventure I would like to try to be a bard.
Any ideas?? We start with 10,000 gold coins. Feat Leadership is prohibited

I have 3 plans

FIRST PLAN - BARD

Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Draconic Heritage ( Battle Dragon or Pyroclastic Dragon )
Human Feat - Melodic Casting
Otyugh Hole (Iron Will Feat, 3000 gold coins)
1 - Bard 1 - Blackburn Collage Bard (Dmg332 pag85) Diplomacy +1, Gather Information +1, and gains crosskills Knowledge (dungeoneering) and Knowledge (the planes)
2 - Bard 2 -
3 - Bard 3 - (Feat) Dragonfire Inspiration (sonic)
4 - Bard 4 -
5 - Bard 5 -
6 - Bard 6 - (Feat) Song of Heart

How do I continue here?

SECOND PLAN - ARCHIVIST

Flaw 1 - Enlarge Spell
Flaw 2 - Dinamic Priest (CHA) - Benefit: For the purpose of determining bonus divine spells per day and maximum divine spell level, your primary spellcasting ability is Intelligence. If you have more than one divine spellcasting class, the bonus applies to only one of those classes. Your spell save DCs are not affected by this change.
Human Feat - Spell focus (conjuration)
1 - Archivist 1 -
2 - Archivist 2 -
3 - Archivist 3 - (Feat) Augment Summoning
4 - Archivist 4 -
5 - Archivist 5 -
6 - War Weaver 1 - (Conversion Divine Spellcasting)
7 - War Weaver 2 -
8 - War Weaver 3 -
9 - War Weaver 4 -
10 - War Weaver 5 -
11 - Malconvoker 1 -
12 - Malconvoker 2 -
13 - Malconvoker 3 -
14 - Malconvoker 4 -
15 - Malconvoker 5 -
16 - Malconvoker 6 -
17 - Malconvoker 7 -
18 - Malconvoker 8 -
19 - Malconvoker 9 -
20 -


Bard 6 / Zhentarim Skymage 5 / Sublime Chord 1 / War Weaver 5 / Virtuoso 3



THIRD PLAN - Druid / Bard

Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Draconic Heritage ( Battle Dragon or Pyroclastic Dragon )

Human Feat - Artist Feat (You gain a +2 bonus on all Perform checks and on checks with one Craft skill that involves art, such as calligraphy, painting, sculpture, or weaving. In addition, if you have the bardic music ability, you may use it three additional times per day.)

1 - Blackburn Bard 1 - Blackburn Collage Bard (Dmg332 pag85) Diplomacy +1, Gather Information +1, and gains crosskills Knowledge (dungeoneering) and Knowledge (the planes)
2 - Rogue 1 -
3 - Rogue 2 - Evasion (Rogue) - (Trade Sneak Attack) Improved Initiative Feat -
4 - Druid 1 - Animal Companion - (Feat) Melodic Casting
5 - Druid 2 - 
6 - Druid 3 - (Feat) Song of Heart
7 - Green Whisperer 1 - Stack Bard Spellcasting Level and Druid Spellcasting Level
8 - Green Whisperer 2
9 - Green Whisperer 3 - (Feat) Dragonfire Inspiration (sonic)
10 - Sublime Chord 1
11 - Sublime Chord 2
12 - Arcane Hierfophant 1 - (Feat)
13 - Fochlucan Lyrist 1 -
14 - Fochlucan Lyrist 2 -
15 - Fochlucan Lyrist 3 - (Feat)
16 - Fochlucan Lyrist 4 -
17 - Fochlucan Lyrist 5 -
18 - Fochlucan Lyrist 6 - (Feat)
19 - Fochlucan Lyrist 7 -
20 - Fochlucan Lyrist 8 -

FOUR PLAN - Druid / Bard

Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Draconic Heritage ( Battle Dragon or Pyroclastic Dragon )

Human Feat - Artist Feat (You gain a +2 bonus on all Perform checks and on checks with one Craft skill that involves art, such as calligraphy, painting, sculpture, or weaving. In addition, if you have the bardic music ability, you may use it three additional times per day.)

1 - Blackburn Bard 1 - Blackburn Collage Bard (Dmg332 pag85) Diplomacy +1, Gather Information +1, and gains crosskills Knowledge (dungeoneering) and Knowledge (the planes)
2 - Druid 1 - Animal Companion 
3 - Druid 2 - (Feat) Greensinger Inititate
4 - Druid 3 -
5 - Druid 4 -
6 - Druid 5 - (Feat) Song of Heart
6 - Green Whisperer 1 - Stack Bard Spellcasting Level and Druid Spellcasting Level
8 - Green Whisperer 2
9 - Green Whisperer 3 - (Feat) Dragonfire Inspiration (sonic)
10 - Arcane Hierfophant 1
11 - Planar Sheperd 1 -
12 - Planar Sheperd 2 -
13 - Planar Sheperd 3 -
14 - Planar Sheperd 4 -
15 - Planar Sheperd 5 -
16 - Planar Sheperd 6 -
17 - Planar Sheperd 7 -
18 - Planar Sheperd 8 -
19 - Planar Sheperd 9 -
20 - Planar Sheperd 10 -

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Re: Help Support Bard or Druid
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2020, 12:18:21 AM »
Random Thoughts
*) Bind Soulmeld (Impulse Boots) with Open Least Chakra (Feet) can get Evasion for the cost of 2 feats instead of 2 class levels.
*) Silverbrow Human trades the bonus skill points for the option to use Cold with Dragonfire Inspiration.
*) Holy roller bards beat all others with Words of Creation doubling Inspire Courage.
*) Green Whisperer is from a Dragon Article with some seriously good Bard PrCs, have you looked at them all?  Battle Howler makes for a fun Bardbarian.
*) This list.
*) Masterwork Alphorn: for when you have an army that needs to die.
*) Speaking of Armies, Warchanter trades spellcasting for being able to use two bardic music at the same time.
*) There's a New Bard's Handbook.  With quarantine update!

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Re: Help Support Bard or Druid
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 08:30:44 PM »
Greetings, I found this version of the "Fochlucan Lyrist" (Pathfinder), our DM allowed me to use it more than anything to be the face of the party and remember the bear from the jungle book. Although I haven't asked if "Green Whisperer and Fochlucan Lyrist" stack for animal companion, wildshape is off the table.
My DM is very linear and Human Silverbrow does not work with Dragonfire Inspiration´.

https://kingmaker73.obsidianportal.com/wikis/fochlucan-lyrist

Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Greensinger Initiate (Add Bluff, Hide, and Perform to your list of druid class skills, and control spells)
Human - Draconic Heritage (Battle Dragon)
1 - Druid 1 -
2 - Bard 1 - Inspire Courage, Fascinate, Countersong
3 - Druid 2 - Feat Melodic Casting
4 - Druid 3 -
5 - Green Whisperer 1 -
6 - Green Whisperer 2 - Feat Song of Heart - Inspire Competence
7 - Green Whisperer 3 - Soothe the Beast
8 - Green Whisperer 4 -
9 - Green Whisperer 5 - Feat Dragonfire Inspiration (Sonic) - Suggestion - Green Ear
10 - Cloistered Cleric / Arcana Hierophant -
11 - Fochlucan Lyrist 1 -
12 - Fochlucan Lyrist 2 - Feat Words of Creation -
13 - Fochlucan Lyrist 3 -
14 - Fochlucan Lyrist 4 - Inspire Greatness
15 - Fochlucan Lyrist 5 - Feat Greenbound Summoning -
16 - Fochlucan Lyrist 6 -
17 - Fochlucan Lyrist 7 - Song of Freedom
18 - Fochlucan Lyrist 8 - Feat -
19 - Fochlucan Lyrist 9 -
20 - Fochlucan Lyrist 10 - Inspire Heroics

* Cloistered Cleric
Turn Undead / Bardic Knowledge / Knowledge Domain / Planning Domain (Extend Spell Feat) / Time Domain (Improved Initiative Feat)

* Arcana Hierophant
Companion familiar / Ignore arcane spell failure / Wild shape

Arcane Hierophant or Cleric Dip
Animal Companion 19 level
Familiar 16 level ?????

Any Suggestion?

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Re: Help Support Bard or Druid
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2020, 05:16:35 AM »
Looks perfectly functional to me.

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Re: Help Support Bard or Druid
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2020, 06:26:52 PM »

Campaing Eberron

My DM is very linear with the rules, he did not allow me to alter the EVASION requirement, so I chose Monk because I will upload WIS anyway.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/satyr.htm

Satyrs As Characters
Satyr characters possess the following racial traits.

* +2 Dexterity, +2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma.
* Medium size.
* A satyr’s base land speed is 40 feet.
* Low-light vision.
* Racial Hit Dice: A satyr begins with five levels of fey, which provide 5d6 Hit Dice, a base attack bonus of +2, and base saving throw bonuses of Fort +1, Ref +4, and Will +4.
* Racial Skills: A satyr’s fey levels give it skill points equal to 8 × (6 + Int modifier). Its class skills are * Bluff, Hide, Knowledge (nature), Listen, Move Silently, Perform, and Spot.
* Satyrs have a +4 racial bonus on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Perform, and Spot checks.
* Racial Feats: A satyr’s fey levels give it two feats. A satyr receives Alertness as a bonus feat.
* +4 natural armor bonus.
* Natural Weapons: Head butt (1d6).
* Special Attacks (see above): Pipes.
* Special Qualities (see above): Damage reduction 5/cold iron.
* Automatic Languages: Sylvan. Bonus Languages: Common, Elven, Gnome.
* Favored Class: Bard.
* Level adjustment +2.

Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Draconic Heritage (Battle Dragon)
Bonus Feat Creation - Melodic Casting
Racial Bonus Feat 1 -
Racial Bonus Feat 2 -
Racial Bonus Feat - Alertness

1 - Bard 1 - Bardic Knowledge, Badic Music (Inspire Courage, Fascinate, Countersong)
2 - Bard 2 -
3 - Figther Monk 1 - Alignment CG, Wis to AC, Unarmed Strike, Flurry of Blows, Bonus Feat (Clothes of Defense) - Level Feat (Ancestral Relic - Clothes of Defense, +1 AC or similarity)
Current Level by LA +2
4 - Fighter Monk 2 - Bonus Feat ()
5 - Druid 1 - Wild Empahty, Animal Companion, Spontaneous Casting, Nature Sense
6 - Green Whisperer 1 - Feat Song of Heart - Inspire Competence
7 - Green Whisperer 2 - Soothe the Beast
8 - Green Whisperer 3 -
9 - Green Whisperer 4 - Feat Dragonfire Inspiration (Sonic) - Suggestion - Green Ear
10 - Silver Pyromancer -
11 - Fochlucan Lyrist 1 -
12 - Fochlucan Lyrist 2 - Feat Words of Creation -
13 - Fochlucan Lyrist 3 -
14 - Fochlucan Lyrist 4 - Inspire Greatness
15 - Fochlucan Lyrist 5 - Feat Greenbound Summoning -
16 - Fochlucan Lyrist 6 -
17 - Fochlucan Lyrist 7 - Song of Freedom
18 - Fochlucan Lyrist 8 - Feat -
19 - Fochlucan Lyrist 9 -
20 - Fochlucan Lyrist 10 - Inspire Heroics

or this build


Flaw 1 - Dragontouched
Flaw 2 - Draconic Heritage (Battle Dragon)
Bonus Feat Creation - Melodic Casting
Racial Bonus Feat 1 - Combat Casting
Racial Bonus Feat 2 - Mounted Combat
Racial Bonus Feat - Alertness
Buy - Iron Will

1 - Bard 1 - Bardic Knowledge, Badic Music (Inspire Courage, Fascinate, Countersong)
2 - Bard 2 -
3 - Bard 3 - Song of the Heart trade Eberron Bard (Inspire Competence) - Level Feat (Ancestral Relic - Increase CHA bonus ???)
Current Level by LA +2

4 - Bard 4 -
5 - Bard 5 -
6 - Half-Elf Bard 6 - Command replace Suggestion - Level Feat (Dragonfire Inspiration - Sonic)
7 - Zhentarim Skymage 1 - Bonus Spells (2), Flying Mount
8 - Zhentarim Skymage 2 - Bonus Spells (2), Flying Feat (Mounted Casting), Craft Wand
9 - Zhentarim Skymage 3 - Bonus Spells (2), Spell focus (Enhancement), Share spells - Level Feat ()
10 - Sublime Chord 1 - Bardic Music, Bardic Knowledge
11 - Sublime Chord 2 - Song of Arcane Power
12 - Zhentarim Skymage 4 - Bonus Spells (2), Flying Feat, Skill focus (Bluff) - Level Feat ()
13 - Zhentarim Skymage 5 - Bonus Spells (2), Enlarge Spell
14 - War Weaver 1 -
15 - War Weaver 2 - Level Feat ()
16 - War Weaver 3 -
17 - War Weaver 4 -
18 - War Weaver 5 - Level Feat ()
19 - Virtuoso - Bardic music, Virtuoso performance (Sustaining Song)
20 - Virtuoso -


What do you think? any help or change ?? I really want to have a pet, I could change the levels of zhentarim for war weaver and go to Presstige Class Virtuoso

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Re: Help Support Bard or Druid
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2020, 12:25:11 AM »
Satyr's have 5 racial hit dice and LA+2.

A satyr with 0 class levels is a level 7 character. That pretty much ruins both of your builds.