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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #220 on: December 11, 2018, 12:20:53 AM »
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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #221 on: December 12, 2018, 07:44:58 PM »
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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #222 on: February 17, 2019, 06:57:54 AM »
Faerie Mysteries Initiate is missing from the Int section for some reason. It was in the prototype table on page 1 of this discussion thread; it seems to have been deleted somehow.

Also, Walker in the Waste 10 and Dry Lich should be combined into one entry; you cannot be a Dry Lich without being a Walker in the Waste 10 and Walker in the Waste 10 doesn't give Cha to HP except via allowing Dry Lich.
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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #223 on: February 18, 2019, 05:23:16 PM »
I don't know what happened to the feat, I'll re-add it tonight when I'm at a computer.

I am leaving the class and template separate, I see no reason to combine them. Nobody should be using any of the entries without looking at the source material, and taking out one or the other would reduce the value as a reference in my opinion.

Edit: as a clarification, I have run into multiple people who remember either the name of Dry Lich or of Walker in the Waste, and WitW is explicitly called out in a prestige class and thus easily obtained by players. That's why I prefer it the way it is

If half-dragon had an x stat to y bonus it would have an entry as well.
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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #224 on: February 18, 2019, 07:31:39 PM »
The feat is back in the table where it belongs.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #225 on: February 18, 2019, 09:23:52 PM »
Alright.

You should probably list Dry Lich's +5 LA alongside its entry, since all the other races and templates have RHD/LA listed.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #226 on: February 18, 2019, 10:00:24 PM »
Alright.

You should probably list Dry Lich's +5 LA alongside its entry, since all the other races and templates have RHD/LA listed.

On that one I'm torn. 

On the one hand, all of the other templates have LA listed.

On the other hand, unlike you I do not believe that any of the transformational prestige classes require the character to gain the LA of the template granted by the prestige class.


Eh, fuck it.  I'll add the LA to make things consistent.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #227 on: February 19, 2019, 01:23:05 AM »
On the other hand, unlike you I do not believe that any of the transformational prestige classes require the character to gain the LA of the template granted by the prestige class.

To be perfectly clear on my position:

IMO the RAW on most transformative PrCs that grant a template is somewhat unclear (and ridiculous FAQ responses like the Dread Necro one saying the phylactery doesn't do anything don't help). It's a valid reading in most cases that the LA doesn't apply, and it's the reading I'd personally use because it's the most sensible.

Walker in the Waste is different in its transformative element in two ways:

1) the transformation isn't automatic upon getting the level, but requires a ritual that can't be done alone,
2) the transformation uses a template (rather than simply being handled by class features), but the template can only be applied to people who've completed the PrC.

Furthermore, unlike most transformative PrCs, there's an explicit example of someone who's completed the PrC, and they are listed with an LA. I don't really see a way to claim that WitW 10 -> Dry Lich doesn't give you the LA when we can plainly see a sample WitW 10 -> Dry Lich in the book and he has the LA.

The above is my interpretation of RAW, not my personal opinion on what makes sense or is reasonable. If I were DMing and a PC went Dry Lich, I'd houserule away the LA - it's just plain silly.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #228 on: February 19, 2019, 04:16:53 PM »
Fair enough, and I have no issue adding the LA to my table for completness sake (I'm honestly not sure why I didn't originally).

Using the example characters for any OrC isn't the best way to claim rules authority though because there have been multiple ones that have actively broken the rules.

I've just seen you post in multiple guide discussion threads about your opinion so I felt that it was worth mentioning.

Also, just FYI most of the guides are no longer maintained because those users are no longer active so if you never get a response that would be why.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #229 on: February 25, 2019, 10:58:56 PM »
Wilderness Origins done.

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #230 on: February 26, 2019, 06:23:22 AM »
Bloodtouched Rite misspells "Eberron" in the book name as "Eberrron".

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Re: X Stat to Y Bonus Discussion Thread
« Reply #231 on: February 26, 2019, 09:22:44 AM »
Fixed.