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Re: Discussions [Insert Inception Musical Sting Here]
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2012, 08:04:50 AM »
Seriously, as I was reading what you had written, my mind was going "Matrix... Matrix... Matrix... Neo... The One... Matrix... There is no spoon... Matrix..."
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2012, 09:41:20 AM »
So... thoughts on what else to add to this? Including abilities for the Awakened Dreamer?

I'm thinking as the PrC progresses, it will gain the ability to apply Lucid Dreaming in more and more powerful ways onto reality, leading up to a natural entry to the capstone.

I'm thinking we should also add a new use of Autohypnosis: Fall Asleep, DC 10, full-round action. :D

I think Autohypnosis and/or Concentration should also give synergy bonuses to Lucid Dreaming.
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2012, 12:31:28 AM »
I was thinking if you can use autohypnosis to make yourself fall asleep, how about putting others to sleep with a higher check.

How about an ability
 A dream within a dream:  similar to a  time regression spell. At any point where you take damage or fail a save you make a check to see if you had been on another layer.  Or maybe its a check force everyone to another layer. Not sure how to make it work.

Was wondering about how hard it would be to alter reality to heal yourself. Couldn't everyone just heal themselves. Make it a full round action not sure about the DC but it should be based on the seriousness of injury, and excess success heals an additional point of hp.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2012, 03:22:23 PM »
I definitely want to include Boz's new martial discipline in this... somehow.
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2012, 02:14:45 PM »
So, it seems likely that very shortly I will be homebrewing a base class inspired by Dom from Inception, called the Extractor.  I will of course port it over here from gitp when I can (it'll be for a contest, so once the contest is closed).  It's going to use Infinite Shore, among other things.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2012, 09:28:40 PM »
So, it seems likely that very shortly I will be homebrewing a base class inspired by Dom from Inception, called the Extractor.  I will of course port it over here from gitp when I can (it'll be for a contest, so once the contest is closed).  It's going to use Infinite Shore, among other things.
:clap Can't wait to see it! Feel free to use my material, if that is allowed for those contests.
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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2012, 06:17:23 PM »
Something that needs (desperately, I would say) to be added to Lucid Dreaming: finding other dreamers/dreams.
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2012, 07:33:37 PM »
I've been working on and off on an RPG where one "subset" of villains are essentially horrifying memetic dream worlds (the nicest one by far is the one where everything works like clockwork.)

Would you like me to dump my notes on the Carcossas? They'll be great inspiration for wandering into nightmares, or, hell, the dreams of things better left unspoken.
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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2012, 07:49:26 PM »
I've been working on and off on an RPG where one "subset" of villains are essentially horrifying memetic dream worlds (the nicest one by far is the one where everything works like clockwork.)

Would you like me to dump my notes on the Carcossas? They'll be great inspiration for wandering into nightmares, or, hell, the dreams of things better left unspoken.
Please feel free to make your own thread(s) here and put whatever you want in them, if its related to dreams, nightmares, or even hallucinations or something. The more, the merrier. :D

Something that needs (desperately, I would say) to be added to Lucid Dreaming: finding other dreamers/dreams.
True. Thoughts? For other dreams, the DC should be based on how well you know the subject I think. Agreed?

And for finding other dreamers within the dream you are in... you could just use emulated spells, but it would be more satisfying if it was rolled into the skill itself, wouldn't it? Hmm... how about an opposed Lucid Dreaming check, if they're actively trying to hide from you? Otherwise, something easy like DC 10+# levels separated you are from them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2012, 09:03:54 PM »
Oooh I like the Carcossas idea. :D Especially the "infection" part. Maybe the dreamer keeps being drawn back into dreams with themes from the Carcossa night after night, requiring Lucid Dreaming checks to avoid (which increase in difficulty). We of course need to include some way of breaking this cycle, and what happens after they fail enough times. I'm thinking they start seeing elements of the Carcossa even when awake (hallucinating, maybe based on the Confusion spell, % chance to occur at the beginning of each encounter or something like that. And of course we need what happens when their dream is ultimately consumed.

Is that more drawn out that what you were going for?
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« Reply #30 on: November 27, 2012, 09:24:33 PM »
That actually works quite well; I've got two of the nicer Carcossas posted fluff-wise.

They aren't places where I would vacation, but they aren't as nasty as some of the others.
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Re: Discussions [Insert Inception Musical Sting Here]
« Reply #31 on: November 27, 2012, 11:08:44 PM »
Something that needs (desperately, I would say) to be added to Lucid Dreaming: finding other dreamers/dreams.
True. Thoughts? For other dreams, the DC should be based on how well you know the subject I think. Agreed?

And for finding other dreamers within the dream you are in... you could just use emulated spells, but it would be more satisfying if it was rolled into the skill itself, wouldn't it? Hmm... how about an opposed Lucid Dreaming check, if they're actively trying to hide from you? Otherwise, something easy like DC 10+# levels separated you are from them.

These seem like good ideas.

Also I'm reading the LD stuff more carefully, and it seems I've been trying to reinvent some wheels you already invented.   :banghead
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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2012, 11:42:47 PM »
Something that needs (desperately, I would say) to be added to Lucid Dreaming: finding other dreamers/dreams.
True. Thoughts? For other dreams, the DC should be based on how well you know the subject I think. Agreed?

And for finding other dreamers within the dream you are in... you could just use emulated spells, but it would be more satisfying if it was rolled into the skill itself, wouldn't it? Hmm... how about an opposed Lucid Dreaming check, if they're actively trying to hide from you? Otherwise, something easy like DC 10+# levels separated you are from them.

These seem like good ideas.

Also I'm reading the LD stuff more carefully, and it seems I've been trying to reinvent some wheels you already invented.   :banghead
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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2012, 01:23:12 AM »
For Lucid Dreaming, the DP cost of Instill Doubt needs a minimum (unless you want to start instilling doubt in the Wis 1 buddies you brought along).

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2012, 04:14:03 PM »
For Lucid Dreaming, the DP cost of Instill Doubt needs a minimum (unless you want to start instilling doubt in the Wis 1 buddies you brought along).
It's meant to only work on the guy whose dream you're inside (and only if it's not your dream). I'll clarify that.

The idea is based on how suggestible your mind can be, even to the point of altering your perceptions. Even when awake, people can be led to believe (and even hallucinate) all kinds of untrue things, given the right conditions. In dreams, this is certainly amplified. Ever had the experience of thinking "well at least it's not X" in a dream, which then of course immediately causes it to be "X"? That's what I'm shooting for. Basically, if you invade someone else's dream, you can then cause the dream to morph in all kinds of crazy ways just by suggesting those things to the dreamer.
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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2012, 08:01:01 PM »
Anyone have Secrets of Sarlona? I see there is a category of feats called Dreamtouched in there, but I don't know what they do...
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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 08:13:44 PM »
http://home.geniusdex.net/pieter/dnd/Eberron/Secrets%20of%20Sarlona.pdf
Yeah... just finished getting it from another site right before I saw this. :P

Edit: So they're so-so. Nothing to write home about. The Mind Mask feat (unrelated) is actually pretty decent, though.
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2012, 09:19:49 AM »
I present, for your perusal, The Extractor.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2012, 03:47:46 PM »
I present, for your perusal, The Extractor.
Huzzah! Glad to see someone else using my material! :D It looks like it will be quite a complicated class to play, and will require significant cooperation from the DM, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Much the same could be said for anything in this subforum. :P

While looking over it, and my version of Lucid Dreaming, I wondered if I should remove the Alter Reality usage of the skill. Is that too powerful, even if its effects are limited to a Dreamscape? It is also limited by character level, due to it requiring an escalating number of Dream Points depending on the level of spell you're emulating. But still, it makes someone trained in Lucid Dreaming orders of magnitude more powerful within a dreamscape than someone who isn't, although I guess that's kind of the point... And the non-trained can still use their own skills within the dreamscape, also. So it's not like they're more defenseless than normal, either... Just mulling it over.
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