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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: July 06, 2016, 12:40:06 AM »
I like how most defenses of Clinton include "Trump did it too!" like that's a good thing.  It used to be "*insert Right Wing politician here* did it too!", but lately it's been more Trump.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: July 01, 2016, 09:51:37 PM »
Hmmm....who's just cartoonish enough, someone who's been in the spotlight, on the villain side of things.  Someone who a bad drama writer would write in as Trump's VP.  Christie?  No, and I can't believe I'm saying this, he's too smart.  He can't be in it with Drumpf, he's too smart to do it, and not zealotous enough to ignore it.  Gingrich?  No way, he hates Trump, and he's TOO set zealotous to fall for it.  It needs...it needs to be someone in the middle.  Not smart enough to see through things, or too zealotous to not be blinded by it, but not too dumb or too zealotous.  They need to be known, across the nation, as a villain, someone who caters to Trump's demographics, and someone diametrically opposed to the (D) nominee.  Someone who represents a contest between good and evil, change/progress with backpedaling on social issues and not capable of running an economy......











Wait, Trump met with Mike Pence?  Pence?

PENCE?????

He's perfect!  It's exactly what they would write for him to do! He's just enough of a fake martyr, he fits right in with Trump's rhetoric!  He's been a patsy, a second fiddle his entire tenure as governor!  He's been all about what Trump's been peddling the entire time, and anyone not an (R) hates him!  He's nationally known as the guy who hates fun, and puts his religion and friends above anyone else, including and especially his constituents!  He's the other heel in the tag team deathmatch championship bout!"

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 26, 2016, 01:59:28 PM »
Hmm, maybe?  But I think he hates Trump so he won't work.

Here's my thinking: Trump is a wrestler.  Like WWE character.  He's still under kayfabe, and he's being the heel in this election.  So he needs to tag team with someone equally cartoonish, that's who his VP pick is going to be.  People say Christie because he got on, but I don't think Trump wants him, he's too insider.  Palin is Palin, so she's a possibility, ESPECIALLY to counter the 'sexism' thing he has going for him.  But it can't be someone so....normal.  And yes I'm saying that about Palin.  No, it has to be someone a WWE writer would write in to the story.  Someone ridiculous, cartoonish, and outlandish.  It has to be someone famous, someone yuge, someone on the big stage.  It has to be legal, so he can't pick Putin, otherwise he absolutely would and you all know it.  Someone equally bombastic and controversial, and universally hated.  That's why I thought Roger Goodell.  Seriously.  But I don't think Goodell would, so Trump won't even ask.  I don't think it will be a politician, but it will be someone in politics.  So one of his business partners, or adversary.

Just trying to think of that most cartoonishly fitting person is difficult.  It can't be someone obscure, but it can't be the most obvious pick (Christie, Palin). It's difficult to do this....

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 26, 2016, 12:52:30 PM »
I was thinking Sarah Palin at first, but then I got to really thinking.  I'm looking for people in the Roger Goodell sort of variety.  Again though, they  have to be actual people, someone who's almost cartoonish, like Trump is.  Goodell is not a politician, but he's politics adjacent.

So an example of not cartoonish would be Cheney, villain, yes.  But not cartoonish.

Rove works for the description, I think, but he wouldn't work for what I'm thinking is going to happen.  Although maybe?  I don't think he'd work, but it's a possibility.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 26, 2016, 11:12:59 AM »
Question: who is the most cartoonish supervillain in politics or politics adjacent in America?  They have to be very American, or at least viewed that way.  And Trump doesn't count.  he's #1, I'm looking for #2.

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Mine is 12345thisismypassword what's yours?

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 24, 2016, 10:09:42 AM »
As I said a bit earlier on twitter, can we just like, as a world, have a mulligan on the past 12 months?

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 24, 2016, 09:44:09 AM »
So.....brexit huh?  Pound's already at historic lows, this was the largest drop in the economy in Britain since 1921, and things look bad.  Great job Britain!  The weirdest thing though is that it can get a lot worse if they vote to actually leave.  Because this wasn't a vote to leave, it was a poll.  For those who know nothing about this, it wasn't a vote, it was a referendum, so the parliament will take this vote into account.  Economically it's been this immediately bad and the UK is still in the EU.

And on another note about it, the leader of the movement, NIgel Douchebagface or whatever, went on GMB this morning and essentially said "Yeah, all those things we promised to do with this?  They won't happen, suckers!"

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: June 14, 2016, 07:57:09 PM »
Like knowing who's paying your politicians?  Too bad! says the House.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: Celebrity Death Thread
« on: June 10, 2016, 10:02:23 AM »
Mr. Hockey  Three major sports people, and two icons who defined their sport, in six days.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: Celebrity Death Thread
« on: June 04, 2016, 12:49:46 AM »

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 29, 2016, 12:23:25 PM »
There are libertarians, and then there are "libertarians".  Johnson is a libertarian.  Rand Paul is a "libertarian".  But yeah,please don't start disparaging parties, keep things civil.

Biden doesn't want it.  He left it open, kind of, but he really doesn't want it.  I think he's retiring from politics after he leaves the VP.  He'll be in advisory role mostly, but I don't think he's running another campaign ever.

Sanders didn't even really want it.  He doesn't care about becoming president, he wants his platform pushed forward because he thinks the DNC has lost its way, he's trying to bring real progressive policies back into the national discussion, a la FDR.  He's also trying to bring a diplomatic foreign policy back into things and trying to get us to shy away from war.

I'd like to see a bigger national discussion of the other parties, so I'd like to see both Johnson and Stein get an appreciable share of the vote, which I think can happen this election.  Johnson definitely, and Stein if Clinton's the nominee

Personally, I heartily disagree with Johnson (and most all Libertarian candidates) on a lot of issues, but of course, I'm a progressive so I like their social policies typically.  Incidentally, this is why Rand is a 'libertarian' and not a libertarian.  He's socially (moderate) conservative and hardcore economically conservative.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 29, 2016, 02:41:30 AM »
I don't think Biden wants it.  If Hillary gets indicted before the convention, it'll be Sanders with the nomination.

And you don't need to get a specific number of electoral votes to be considered for the House election.  You just need a certain amount of the vote iirc.  There's a LOT of crazy things that might happen in this situation.  And my "Ryan" winning was mostly based on the rumors from a month or two ago that he was being vetted as a possibility to do this, so it's more tongue in cheek than not, however, replace 'Ryan' with whichever person gets that nod.  It may be Johnson even. Who knows.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 29, 2016, 12:40:28 AM »
I meant to imply that they have Ryan running to allow this to happen, apologies if it didn't come across like that.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 28, 2016, 09:38:58 PM »
After thinking about it long and hard, here's the chances I think of the various people in the race right now to become president of the USA next year, as rough percentages.

Trump: 50%
Clinton: 25%
Sanders:20%
Paul Ryan: 5%

Yes, I have Ryan as a non-zero win chance.  Because of a complicated thing called "everything explodes".  Essentially, Gary Johnson takes one state, really any state, but the bigger the more likely this happens.  And the more states the more likely.  But I think he only has any shot in one or two states at most.  Anyways, then he 'blows up' the electoral map in such a way that there's no winner, as in no one gets to 270, and the House decides the next president, they choose Ryan.  I think that percentage is lower than 5, but non zero so i put it as 5.

If Sanders is nominated by the DNC, I have it at 80% Sanders as president, 20% Trump.  Notice: no chance for Ryan.

If Clinton is the nominee, I have it at 65%  Trump, 30% Clinton, and 5% Ryan.  I may be underselling Trump's chances in this one though.  I...I think I'm resigned to a Trump presidency.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 26, 2016, 01:24:26 PM »
I'm curious as to what the fallout of this will be, but Clinton...absolutely broke the rules, and the FOIA.  She and her supporters maintain that she did nothing wrong, going as far as to say "this confirms what she's said about the issue" even though the new report directly contradicts things she's said about the subject.  Here's a look a number of issues that the report raised, of particular note are the fact that it was not authorized, despite her claims, and it was unique, despite her claims.

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Off Topic Fun / Re: Celebrity Death Thread
« on: May 19, 2016, 02:01:20 PM »
Morley Safer, a week after signing off for the last time and retiring.

And John Berry

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 18, 2016, 09:23:25 PM »
I thought the monarch still had a lot of control then?  Like until...some point after the American revolution and before WWI. My England history between those points is....hazy....

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 18, 2016, 09:09:23 PM »
But you aren't electing in the same way was my point.  Back in 1707 you still had a monarch calling the shots.  When did that stop and the monarch lose all real power?

And here in the US our political parties essentially came out of a feud between two candidates in the early 1800s.  That started the parties.  Then things got weird, and we had two, and then one went away and was replaced by the same one, then fast forward to the 60s when things got sucky.  Really you can blame Nixon for a lot of the US's electoral issues today.  A lot  of politics can be blamed on him....he cause the DNC to lose their minds and introduce superdelegates, he made the GOP the racist southerner party, you can blame the 80s on him too, and thus the 90s, just everything....

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Off Topic Fun / Re: The Politics Thread v3
« on: May 18, 2016, 08:30:27 PM »
In terms of this type of politics yes, and you aren't even in the same type of elections system as us, your prime minister isn't elected.  And, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you primarily two parties as well?  Like, India.  India's been on its own for what, 50 years?  They have a lot of parties.  And it's getting smaller.  Some places have seemingly stabilized at 3, but without changing things really, I think it'll be reduced to 2 eventually.

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