Eternal Royal+Border of Life school

[CrazyYanmega]

I don't know what the limitation with 6th level stances was, the Eternal Royal already learns a new one at 11th level.

Added another one at 17th level.

I think you meant to put a 5 instead of a 6 in the table. Also, it might just be because the two levels of Vampire confuse me on where I'm at as far as Initiator Level is concerned.

[Raineh Daze]

I don't know what the limitation with 6th level stances was, the Eternal Royal already learns a new one at 11th level.

Added another one at 17th level.

I think you meant to put a 5 instead of a 6 in the table. Also, it might just be because the two levels of Vampire confuse me on where I'm at as far as Initiator Level is concerned.

Either Initiator Classes -1 or -2, depending on if full BAB is a requirement for levels.

... which really makes doing Septette for the Dead painful.

[CrazyYanmega]

I thought that non initiator classes counted as 1/2 as far as IL goes?

[Raineh Daze]

I thought that non initiator classes counted as 1/2 as far as IL goes?

I know, but I don't have ToB available. I think it might be just full-BAB classes counting for 1/2.

[oslecamo]

Bab never has any effect on your IL. Every non-main-initiator class grants 1/2 IL.

Re-fixed the stances.

... which really makes doing Septette for the Dead painful.

Why?

Vampire 1/Eternal Royal X: Learn 3rd stance at 6th ECL, 6th at 12th ECL, 8th at 16th ECL, just one level behind a normal ER.

Vampire 2/Eternal Royal X-1:Learn 3rd stance at 7th ECL, 6th at 13th ECL, 8th at 18th ECL, two levels behind a normal ER. Not too shabby.

And then you are a vampire. Aka minions and undead immunities and boosting your ability scores.

Or don't be a vampire and take the feats which allow you to have Blood Charges to power up Septtete for the Dead stuff.

[Raineh Daze]

I always get confused on the BAB point. If BAB factors in,  vampire counts for nothing--you're immediately a whole maneuver-level behind with all the attendant advantages and disadvantages of being a vampire with their sun problems, so...

[CrazyYanmega]

I always get confused on the BAB point. If BAB factors in,  vampire counts for nothing--you're immediately a whole maneuver-level behind with all the attendant advantages and disadvantages of being a vampire with their sun problems, so...

I have ToB right next to my desk. BAB has no impact when multiclassing. Heck, Other initiator classes count for half when factoring in IL for a particular class. PRESTIGE classes count for full though, it seems.

[ketaro]

Wait, PrCs count for full initiator level when you multicast to non martial progression PrCs?

[CrazyYanmega]

Wait, PrCs count for full initiator level when you multicast to non martial progression PrCs?

Rules as written, apparently yes.

[ketaro]

That makes the stuff Os wrote about IL progression of Lunatic Lancer not make sense now. Like, LL explicitly states you get either CL or IL progression and if you pick IL you get full instead of half (like you would with base classes and not PrCs normally, apparently) so in actuality if you pick CL progression you get full CL & IL progression or no CL progression but 150% IL progression per LL level.

Sorry, while this realization is kinda huge to me, I'm only referencing Lunatic Lancer because it's the only class in a character I've got active atm that utilizes a PrC with a base martial adept class.

[oslecamo]

Specific trumps generic. The Lunatic Lancer's rules for IL progression override outside ones.

[Nanshork]

Border of Life review time.

Feats look good.

I can't tell if Lost Soul's Village-Trackless Path is too powerful.

Subtle Melody Repository-Ghost says +1 enhancement bonus twice in a row.

Subtle Melody Repository-Divine Soul is missing a word.  It says "and they can't you in any way".

This one is weird.

[oslecamo]

Border of Life review time.

Yay!

Feats look good.

Double yay!

I can't tell if Lost Soul's Village-Trackless Path is too powerful.

It offers a save?

Subtle Melody Repository-Ghost says +1 enhancement bonus twice in a row.

Fixed.

Subtle Melody Repository-Divine Soul is missing a word.  It says "and they can't you in any way".

Ah, was supposed to be "attack", fixed as well.

This one is weird.

We're just getting started with the weirdness.

[Nanshork]

I can't tell if Lost Soul's Village-Trackless Path is too powerful.

It offers a save?

Going through it again, it's fine.  You explicitly didn't allow extra standard actions so potential abuse is minimal.