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Offline phaedrusxy

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I don't pee messages into the snow often , but when I do , it's in Cyrillic with Fake Viagra.  Stay frosty my friends.

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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2024, 10:27:11 AM »
Missing a number of classics, but it's still a lot of fun to see these builds still alive

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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2024, 04:58:03 PM »
The spiked chain build is just a plain old tripping build, and it's easily beaten by Tumbling skill checks (in 3.5, at least). There are much worse builds for crippling AoO loops. When it comes to ridiculous & broken builds, I'd rate "I can trip enemies that approach me and play keep-away" as neither particularly ridiculous nor particularly broken.
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2024, 09:32:31 PM »
Trust a minmaxer to take a fun article way too seriously.  :lmao

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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2024, 10:07:54 PM »
It was also one of the earliest OP builds, and it’s so simple that it was likely to be actually used in games. Snow… something was one poster who popularized it, way back on 339.
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2024, 12:31:05 PM »
That build is also the reason why Pathfinder nerfed spiked chains, even though it practically makes next to no difference whether you are using a spiked chain or a regular reach weapon and armor spikes or unarmed strikes (like kicks) to make your AoOs. Pathfinder has a lot of hilarious balance fixes that fixed absolutely nothing and targeted absolute non-issues (like being able to make AoOs in both melee and reach increments). Actually trip+kiting builds are more powerful in PF because PF nerfed the Tumbling skill into the ground when it folded it into the Acrobatics skill. Jason Bulmahn was very offended at Rogues using AoO-free movement to set up sneak attacks. Meanwhile things like mind controlling and raising undead to obtain entire armies are still a-okay and Wizards and Sorcerers receive massive buffs to their power floor. This is how PF "fixed" 3.5's balance issues. :lol

Regardless, if we're talking ridiculous builds, I'd sooner put in silliness like the Jumplomancer or Lightning Thief or just a plain Bard casting Glibness.
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2024, 03:08:03 PM »
Man it do be some whiplash going from basic stuff like a Spiked Chain build straight to Pun-pun lol.
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2024, 05:37:09 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2024, 05:37:44 AM »
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2024, 05:38:13 AM »
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It was also one of the earliest OP builds, and it’s so simple that it was likely to be actually used in games. Snow… something was one poster who popularized it, way back on 339.
Heh. That would be my wife, Snow Savant.

I memories recalls, she didn't make the build with the Spiked Chain - she made it with the weapon in the 3.0 Oriental Adventures book called the "Chain".  Smaller damage than the Spiked Chain, but could be used with TWF fighting.  It was called the Gatling Chain build, or something like that.  I'd ask her, but she's visiting family out-of-state at the moment.

That was like 20 years ago or so.  Holy crap!

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2024, 05:39:32 AM »
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Re: BEHOLD!
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2024, 12:14:51 PM »
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It was also one of the earliest OP builds, and it’s so simple that it was likely to be actually used in games. Snow… something was one poster who popularized it, way back on 339.
Heh. That would be my wife, Snow Savant.

I memories recalls, she didn't make the build with the Spiked Chain - she made it with the weapon in the 3.0 Oriental Adventures book called the "Chain".  Smaller damage than the Spiked Chain, but could be used with TWF fighting.  It was called the Gatling Chain build, or something like that.  I'd ask her, but she's visiting family out-of-state at the moment.

That was like 20 years ago or so.  Holy crap!

And it is preserved here  :)