Fun Finds v4.0

[Keldar]

Yes, the 3.0 version of Supreme Cleave made that very clear.  It only added an extra occasion for using the 5 foot step, not extra uses.  Which stinks, Fighters never get any cool toys. 

[Amechra]

Oh hi dere Evasive Reflexes, when did you come in?

[tuesdayscoming]

Check out the Shadow Bound template.  For only +1 LA you get Shadow Blend and Shadow Walk SLA (apparently at will).

You can use that to meet the prereqs for Shadowcrafter at lv1.
EDIT: Shadowcraft Mage too.

Forgive me, but does this really work? As I understand it, the ability to use a Spell-like ability =/= the ability to cast a spell for purposes of meeting prerequisites.

Am I mistaken?

[123456789blaaa]

Check out the Shadow Bound template.  For only +1 LA you get Shadow Blend and Shadow Walk SLA (apparently at will).

You can use that to meet the prereqs for Shadowcrafter at lv1.
EDIT: Shadowcraft Mage too.

Forgive me, but does this really work? As I understand it, the ability to use a Spell-like ability =/= the ability to cast a spell for purposes of meeting prerequisites.

Am I mistaken?

You are. Check Complete Arcane, pg 72.

[tuesdayscoming]

Forgive me, but does this really work? As I understand it, the ability to use a Spell-like ability =/= the ability to cast a spell for purposes of meeting prerequisites.

Am I mistaken?

You are. Check Complete Arcane, pg 72.

Hmm... Not by my reading. The rules there say "requirements for feats and prestige classes based on specific levels of spells cast (“Able to cast 3rd-level arcane spells,” for example) cannot be met by spell-like abilities or invocations—not even spell-like abilities or invocations that allow a character to use a specific arcane spell of the appropriate level or higher."

[123456789blaaa]

Forgive me, but does this really work? As I understand it, the ability to use a Spell-like ability =/= the ability to cast a spell for purposes of meeting prerequisites.

Am I mistaken?

You are. Check Complete Arcane, pg 72.

Hmm... Not by my reading. The rules there say "requirements for feats and prestige classes based on specific levels of spells cast (“Able to cast 3rd-level arcane spells,” for example) cannot be met by spell-like abilities or invocations—not even spell-like abilities or invocations that allow a character to use a specific arcane spell of the appropriate level or higher."

On the other hand it also has this on the same page:

A requirement based on a specific spell measures whether the character or creature in question is capable of producing the necessary effect, and as such, invocations and spell-like abilities that generate the relevant effect meet the requirements for specific spell knowledge. For example, a prestige class with a spellcasting requirement of “Must know (or be able to cast) darkness” is met by a warlock who chooses darkness as one of her invocations, or by any creature with darkness as a spell-like ability.

So you're both wrong and right. It's debatable whether "specific spell" includes the Shadowcrafter prereq of "Able to cast any 3rd-level or higher spell with the illusion (shadow) descriptor." or if it has to name the spell.

[Meiliken]

There are 2 classes with the same name.  Corsair.   The first one is in dragon 310 pg 34.  It is a fighter variant.  Then there is the second one in dragon 321 pg 86.  The 2nd one is a prestige class.  There is a bonus extra of a 3rd one that is the Scarlet Corsair(stormwrack) that is a prestige class, but since it adds that extra "scarlet" it doesn't fall into the idea of the same name   Interesting find to me heh.

[TiaC]

I just noticed how good Water Devotion is in E6. Summon a Medium Water elemental for a minute with a standard action. Extra uses only cost 1 turn attempt. Yes Please! I could pull my weight in most E6 parties I've seen with a Warrior 5/Cleric 1 and this feat.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

There are 2 classes with the same name.  Corsair.   The first one is in dragon 310 pg 34.  It is a fighter variant.  Then there is the second one in dragon 321 pg 86.  The 2nd one is a prestige class.  There is a bonus extra of a 3rd one that is the Scarlet Corsair(stormwrack) that is a prestige class, but since it adds that extra "scarlet" it doesn't fall into the idea of the same name   Interesting find to me heh.

Hey that'll work in Gestalt for a Corsair Corsair ~Corsair, still room left over for something else/good/better/boosting.

[Prime32]

Hexer is pretty nice. Full BAB, lots of bonus spells (without a "one level lower" restriction), and the gaze attacks are decent. The spell prereq was meant for adepts, but Alternative Source Spell and Southern Magician should be able to get you in. OA shugenja also qualifies.

[123456789blaaa]

Not my find but I'm posting it here just in case people haven't seen it: Using Legacy Champion to advance the vampire template class. LC adds BAB/Saves/Skills etc. You can actually play a viable vamp this way.

[Sinfire Titan]

Not my find but I'm posting it here just in case people haven't seen it: Using Legacy Champion to advance the vampire template class. LC adds BAB/Saves/Skills etc. You can actually play a viable vamp this way.

I keep forgetting that template classes and monster classes have different rules.

Perhaps found a Legacy Item that turns it's owner into a Vampire, then use that for Legacy Champion.

[Gazzien]

Not my find but I'm posting it here just in case people haven't seen it: Using Legacy Champion to advance the vampire template class. LC adds BAB/Saves/Skills etc. You can actually play a viable vamp this way.

I keep forgetting that template classes and monster classes have different rules.

Perhaps found a Legacy Item that turns it's owner into a Vampire, then use that for Legacy Champion.

Er... can someone explain the difference to me? I'm... missing them, somehow.

[Sinfire Titan]

Not my find but I'm posting it here just in case people haven't seen it: Using Legacy Champion to advance the vampire template class. LC adds BAB/Saves/Skills etc. You can actually play a viable vamp this way.

I keep forgetting that template classes and monster classes have different rules.

Perhaps found a Legacy Item that turns it's owner into a Vampire, then use that for Legacy Champion.

Er... can someone explain the difference to me? I'm... missing them, somehow.

You can multiclass out of the template ones whenever you level up, but for the monster classes you can't multiclass at all until it's finished.

[123456789blaaa]

Not my find but I'm posting it here just in case people haven't seen it: Using Legacy Champion to advance the vampire template class. LC adds BAB/Saves/Skills etc. You can actually play a viable vamp this way.

I keep forgetting that template classes and monster classes have different rules.

Perhaps found a Legacy Item that turns it's owner into a Vampire, then use that for Legacy Champion.

Er... can someone explain the difference to me? I'm... missing them, somehow.

You can multiclass out of the template ones whenever you level up, but for the monster classes you can't multiclass at all until it's finished.

I think that's only for the Savage Progression template classes. I'm not aware of any outside the Savage Progression articles though so that may not be relevant...

[Jackinthegreen]

Source on the template classes?  Or is it SS?

[123456789blaaa]

Source on the template classes?  Or is it SS?

A series of online articles. Click the "Gaining a Template Midcampaign" link.

[Maat Mons]

I may just be slow on the uptake, but I've never really considered the fact that eternal wands have a fixed cost for each spell level.  Almost everything else makes you pay more for spells with costly material components or xp costs.  The most practical application of that loophole I can think of is an eternal wand of identify.  It costs 820 gp to buy it, but you save 100 gp each time you don't cast identify normally, so it pays for itself after 9 uses. 

[Sinfire Titan]

I may just be slow on the uptake, but I've never really considered the fact that eternal wands have a fixed cost for each spell level.  Almost everything else makes you pay more for spells with costly material components or xp costs.  The most practical application of that loophole I can think of is an eternal wand of identify.  It costs 820 gp to buy it, but you save 100 gp each time you don't cast identify normally, so it pays for itself after 9 uses.

Yeah, especially if you find one that has an XP cost. Eternal Wands are good for what they do.

[ksbsnowowl]

Hexer is pretty nice. Full BAB, lots of bonus spells (without a "one level lower" restriction), and the gaze attacks are decent. The spell prereq was meant for adepts, but Alternative Source Spell and Southern Magician should be able to get you in. OA shugenja also qualifies.

Great for Archivists.  I've always wanted to play a Bhuka (sp? - Sandstorm) Librarian who would glare (hex) at people if they interrupted his quiet.