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Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« on: November 07, 2011, 07:12:25 PM »
Okay, so I know that 'vs' threads are bad, but I went through the effort of making this build stub, and everyone else wanted to see it, so I'm posting it here anyway. So n'yah.

I found a few issues when I posted this in that other thread over on the other boards, which I have now cleared up. Feel free to look it over and tell me how you think it stacks up vs Endarire's fighter.

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I'm going to assume that only effects that last 24 hours or more are in effect, which basically means that only Midnight Augmentation has actually been activated. I have a few options for 9-hour powers, but I don't really need them.

Okay, 42 point buy, two flaws (really doesn't matter which ones, as they won't affect anything either way -- Noncombatant and Vulnerable?), no traits.

Human shaper 5/constructor 5 (used Favored Contact from Cityscape, then retrained it away once I got into constructor and had enough skill ranks to sustain it).

90 pp
85.5 average hp

Str - 8
Dex - 8
Con - 18 (+2 item) = 20
Int - 16 (+2 item) = 18
Wis - 16 (+2 item) 18
Cha - 14

FEATS:
Flaw 1 - Psicrystal Affinity (Single-Minded)
Flaw 1 - Linked Power
Racial - Overchannel
HD 1 - Midnight Augmentation
Psion 1 - Boost Construct
HD 3 - Psicrystal Containment
Psion 5 - Metamorphic Transfer
HD 6 - Psionic Meditation
HD 9 - Expanded Knowledge (Metamorphosis)
Constructor 9 - Boost Construct (2)

PSICRYSTAL FEATS
HD 1 - Hidden Talent (Precognition, Seer 1)
HD 3 - Twin Power
HD 6 - Practiced Manifester
HD 9 - Protection Devotion

Items:
Torc of power preservation (MIC, 4,000 gp)
Bead of karma (DMG, 20,000 gp)
+10 skill shard (UMD, XPH, 1,000 gp)
Synaptic Mask (Hyperconscious, 3,000 gp, not relevant to this game, but an awesome item anyway)
Lesser rod of Extend (DMG 3,000 gp, totally not necessary, but still nice)
+2 Con item (4,000 gp)
+2 Int item (4,000 gp)
+2 Wis item (4,000 gp)
Psionic Crawling Tattoo of Expansion (ML 7) (1,400 gp)

TOTAL SPENT: 44,400 gp

RELEVANT POWERS
1. Astral Construct
1. Ecto Protection
1. Psionic Minor Creation
1. Vigor
1. Synchronicity
1. Hammer
1. (Seer) Precognition (Hidden Talent)
2. Share Pain
4. Dimension Door, Psionic

SKILLS:
Full ranks in: UMD (Cross-Class, 6 ranks), Concentration

Tactics:

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The astral construct has the following stats, and PROBABLY beats the fighter on initiative, due to my delaying. Also, I forwent the augmented stats under Expansion for the actual sizing rules in the SRD here and here (except for the Dex and Str mods); otherwise it's extremely confusing:

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It takes half-damage on a hit, and is wielding a Psionic Minor Creation-fashioned ironwood guisarme that doubles its reach to 60' and deals 6d6+30 damage (though it takes a -4 to hit on a flat-footed-due-to-invisibility attack). It uses its slams if the fighter gets within 30', and attempts to grapple.

The psion Metamorphosises into something difficult to hit (like a Superior Invisibility'd pixie), and hides under the AC, using it as cover.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2011, 04:24:43 PM by Lycanthromancer »

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 08:16:27 PM »
Should this be in the Min/Max 3.5 board? I don't even know what this one is for.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 05:40:44 PM »

Is Lyca Recognition 0 ... safe for work ?

 ;)
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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 05:53:47 PM »

Is Lyca Recognition 0 ... safe for work ?

 ;)
I really have no idea what you're talking about.

So probably not.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 03:33:13 PM »
Someone PM Endaire and get him in here.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 05:19:37 PM »
Someone else start making fighters and try to beat my 60' reach + blindsight + 51 Str. :p

Also, I reserve the right to alter my astral construct manifestation between fights as needed.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 06:13:15 PM »

Is Lyca Recognition 0 ... safe for work ?

 ;)
I really have no idea what you're talking about.

So probably not.


See ... you're up to: Recognition 1 , already.
And I had nothing to do with it.
(at least I don't think I did)
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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 12:15:33 PM »
Let me see if I have the step of making the 9th Construct right.

ML is at 10, from Practiced Manifester which is feat leeched.
10 PP, to spend so far, for a 5 lvl construct
Midnight augmentation makes it to 11pp effectively spent for 6th lvl construct
Overchannel for two ML, so 13 pp for a 7th lvl construct
Bead of karma boosts the make effective pp to 17 for the 9th level
The construct is ready

Arguing Arcanist's Gloves work on transparency for another to boost ML by another 2
Add an essentia gem for +1 essentia in for midnight Augmenation maxing it at 2, instead of 1.
If you get some way to bind the Metamagic rod to the hand chakra for an additional +1 ML.
A scroll of Caster's Lens for +2 ML, but need one from a Truenamer you made the scroll specifically for you and can beat the Resistance check.
 


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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 02:40:28 PM »
i have a friend who might be able to challenge this build... i'll see if i can get him interested.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 06:44:34 PM »
Hi.  On BG, I made This Fighter to down a plain ol' L9 Astral Construct.  Lycanthromancer has since upped its stats.

Whoever wants to take over, go ahead.  He needs an item of see invisibility or something.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2011, 08:03:05 PM »
Lycanthromancer has since upped its stats.

The premise was optimized AC vs. optimized fighter. It's not just upping the stats of an AC, it's optimizing it - increasing the reach, staying power and strength of it seems obvious.

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2011, 08:55:25 PM »
The AC's Strength is higher than that of the tarrasque. So hah. :p

[edit] Also, there's a sale going on on the internet!

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2011, 09:57:10 PM »
Wow, how much gold would an Astral Construct cost me today now?

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2011, 02:19:16 AM »
there's an app spell/power/skill for that....

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 09:28:18 PM »
Wow, how much gold would an Astral Construct cost me today now?
Just three easy payments of $29.99 + S&H!*






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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 03:03:05 PM »
This is for you, Lycan:

The title is - "Mine is Stronger" ^^

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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 03:10:09 PM »
I am a Nigerian Prince. I have um hole Mine full of Astral Constructs. They are worth $4e Astral Diamond. If you please called me at secret phone number SHELLOIL. We can get them out of mine. Ohh ... someones coming. I call you again soon.
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Re: Astral Construct vs Fighter (Continued for your Amusement)
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2011, 04:13:58 PM »
Arguing Arcanist's Gloves work on transparency for another to boost ML by another 2
This would work under transparency, except it explicitly calls for ARCANE caster. Psi isn't arcane, so this doesn't work. Though I've had DMs that said it did, so in those cases, I definitely used them.

Add an essentia gem for +1 essentia in for midnight Augmenation maxing it at 2, instead of 1.
Unfortunately, Midnight Augmentation is capped at the level of the power you're manifesting, which in this case is 1. This is why I didn't just use MA and, say, Psicarnum Infusion. That's usually what I do when I want to boost a higher level power up.

If you get some way to bind the Metamagic rod to the hand chakra for an additional +1 ML.
This works (Psionic Open Chakra, which is nice to use with Psicarnum Infusion and Midnight Augmentation, Overchannel, etc). Then you can dip into totemist and grab a phase cloak to boost and bind to your shoulders for all sorts of ethereality goodies.

A scroll of Caster's Lens for +2 ML, but need one from a Truenamer you made the scroll specifically for you and can beat the Resistance check.
Eww. Truenaming.

So, yeah. Some of those don't work. Others do. Suffice to say, I could've gotten all sorts of other boosts and bumps and gotten more goodies to work with (and those probably would've saved me on the action economy, my gp, and my pp reserve all three). However, I got a nice fat ML boost as it was, and that's what I'm happy with at the moment.

Maybe I could rework this, go with less expensive options, and buy some equipment for my big ectoplasmic friend?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2011, 04:15:53 PM by Lycanthromancer »