Min/Max Boards
Gaming Discussion => D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder => You Break it You Buy it => Topic started by: OldManAlexi on December 06, 2014, 04:17:28 PM
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I was looking through the Eberron Campaign Setting book and I found a simple method of breaking the Wealth By Level limit. Now, there are already a number of ways to do this. Plus, the level 14 requirement makes it rather slow. However, it is unique in that it is available to any class, from wizard to commoner.
You need 5 things:
- You need to be native to Eberron.
- You need to be human. Being a member of House Cannith is preferable but not required.
- You need to not have taken any feats to get a dragonmark.
- You need to have 15 ranks in any 2 skills... which basically means you need to be a level 12 character.
- You need to have the Heroic Spirit feat.
So, other than a single feat, this could work off a perfectly normal build.
Now, the next step is to enter the Heir of Siberys PrC. This gives you a Siberys dragonmark at level 2. The Siberys Mark of Making lets you cast True Creation once a day as a spell-like ability.
True Creation is an interesting spell that is only available from a single Eberron-specific domain. It allows the caster to permanently (or more properly, instantaneously) conjure physical substances in exchange for 1 XP per 1 GP of the item's cost. However, spell-like abilities do not have XP costs so a True Creation spell-like ability gives you physical substances for free.
That's it. No tricks. Just a perfectly normal build for 12 levels and two levels into a PrC will give you infinite gold. Though, I would advise you not to accidentally conjure so much gold that it buries the entire continent.
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There was errata for that.
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The Meta
Goal: Craft a piece of gold, market value 1gp.
Cost: 1/2 the market price in raw materials, 0.5gp.
Profit: +0.5gp each cycle.
Time Spent: +(1/2 check)gp profit per week.
The Observation
Master Wizard Tim decides to observe the paradoxical nature of gold. Can it be created? Can it be destroyed? Maybe it can only be transformed?
He arranges an experiment and created two extraplanar spaces with nothing in it. For control the first contains one half of a gold piece. the second one contains Bob, a Dwarven Commoner who exclusive works as a black smith. His workshop and masterwork smithing hammer contain no trace amounts of gold and after an intimate examination of the dwarf he doesn't either. He is placed in the second space and sealed in for a month with bread and water.
Tim opens the space and finds the Dwarf holding 92 pieces of gold expertly crafted. His control experiment shows a 0.00001% gold loss due to oxidization.
What can this experiment teach us about metal?
The student's smartass reply
The dwarf poops gold, feed him more bread.
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Supposing D&D matter is homogenous and infinitely divisible (instead of being made of molecules, atoms, and such), and assuming the Axiom of Choice is true, you can totally double an object by cutting it up and reassembling the pieces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox). Take that conservation of mass.
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That explains why I can never finish a puzzle, those damn pieces truly are multiplying.
Why do my socks vanish through? I know their not multiplying when I run out of white and have to half/half it.
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Can't you craft three GP out of 1? After all, mundane goods cost 1/3 their market value to craft.
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Crafting 3gp out of 1gp is clearly the source of inflation in the Roman Empire. >> <<
Don't be deceived. He's gilding the bread.
I'm not sure how you figure a gold piece can be raw material for another gold piece. If it's a finished product, melting it back into its constituent parts gives 1/3rd gold, 2/3rd negligibly cheap metal, presumably, since it was made out of 1/3rd its value in raw materials. If it's raw material, crafting it into another gold piece would be trying to craft raw material into raw material and that doesn't precisely make sense; rather, the blacksmith could use a gold piece to craft a 3gp gold ring, which ... increases the value without increasing the mass at all.
*looks up* I mean, I realize the forum we're in, but I still don't quite get it.
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Why do my socks vanish through?
You keep neglecting to feed them, so they've turned to cannibalism, obviously.
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:twitch ... the socks are a Larval form of a Bag Of Devouring ?!
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If it's raw material, crafting it into another gold piece would be trying to craft raw material into raw material and that doesn't precisely make sense; rather, the blacksmith could use a gold piece to craft a 3gp gold ring, which ... increases the value without increasing the mass at all.
*looks up* I mean, I realize the forum we're in, but I still don't quite get it.
An unfinished rubik's cube is a raw material, and a finished one is the end product :-P
Gold is fiat currency anyway though, so none of it really makes sense.
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I think with the case of making three gold pieces, the raw material is not a gold coin but one gp worth of gold ore (http://www2.newark.ohio-state.edu/facultystaff/personal/jstjohn/Documents/Gold-Ores/Red-Lake-Gold-Ore_files/image002.jpg). Just like a suit of plate armour isn't made by hammering five hundred gold coins.
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We know what you're meaning there, it's just an observation on how silly the rules can be.