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Offline Gazzien

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... Does this work?
« on: May 08, 2014, 11:48:19 AM »
Okay, so let's assume we have a level 20 [Wu Jen 5 / Spellguard of Silverymoon 4 / Cleric 1 / Dweomerkeeper 10]. They pick up UMD as a class skill, Obtain Familiar with a feat, and proceed to do this:

Round 1: UMD a scroll of "Surge of Fortune" (Cleric 4). Might not even need to UMD; you have a CL higher than the scroll, but it's not in Cleric.
Round 2: Cast "Transcend Mortality", choosing to cast it as a touch spell (per Spellguard) and as a supernatural spell (Dweomerkeeper), but hold the charge.
Round 3: Ready an action to strike your target with the touch spell as soon as you are within reach.
Round 3: Your familiar uses your UMD ranks to activate a scroll of "Wish", using the Transport Travelers function to put you and your familiar next to your target.
Round 3: Readied action goes off, and you make a touch attack.
Round 3: Burn your immediate action in order to make the attack roll a natural 20, per "Surge of Fortune", making you automatically hit.
Round 3: Use your move action to get away (Shadow Stride, maybe?)
For the next (Wu Jen CL) rounds, you stay out of reach.
Round 3+X: Once they die from "Transcend Morality", you hit them with "Barghest's Feast". Possibly again, if you have a belt of battle. And your familiar can UMD a scroll of it.

Is there a way to survive this? Transcend Morality is not a death effect, nor negative energy, so I don't believe it would be stopped by any immunities.

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Re: ... Does this work?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 02:15:44 PM »
Iron Heart Surge?  :cool

Contingency: Revivify, Clone, having a phylactery, other stuff.

Unless you're standing right there when they die from the spell, with a readied action (and the DM rules that readied actions can "get between" the trigger and resolution of a Contingency), it seems Contingency could beat this, as could any way to get rid of the spell's effects before the end, or enter another body (i.e. Magic Jar) before the spell ends (so you can survive your "death", assuming Transcend Mortality is ruled to stay with the body and not the "soul").

This combo (Spellguard + Transcend Mortality) has been brought up on here before as broken, also.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2014, 02:18:05 PM by phaedrusxy »
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Re: ... Does this work?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2014, 03:02:19 PM »
Iron Heart Surge?  :cool

Contingency: Revivify, Clone, having a phylactery, other stuff.

Unless you're standing right there when they die from the spell, with a readied action (and the DM rules that readied actions can "get between" the trigger and resolution of a Contingency), it seems Contingency could beat this, as could any way to get rid of the spell's effects before the end, or enter another body (i.e. Magic Jar) before the spell ends (so you can survive your "death", assuming Transcend Mortality is ruled to stay with the body and not the "soul").

This combo (Spellguard + Transcend Mortality) has been brought up on here before as broken, also.
Hm, yeah. Pity, too.

Ah well. I had thought Transcend had something about not being rez'able by mortal magic, but I made a mistake. Ah well.

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Re: ... Does this work?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 08:44:44 PM »
The magic Jar shouldn't work since you'll have no body to go back to and anyone without a body to return to is considered dead as per the spell description.

Not that there aren't other ways around this anyway. I mean, any caster worth their salt can easily just respond by using their immediate action to teleport away or time stop and reassess...its like, "Oh a person just teleported next to me and it didn't trigger my anticipate teleportation...I guess they are using a Wish transportation and are probably pretty powerful. I should probably celerity/time stop/teleport." And this is all assuming they are not already in dire tortoise form and just get a surprise round to act without even needing to use their celerity.

Its a nice combo, but anyone that you would be able to kill with it would likely be weak enough that you would not need it in order to kill them. You're better off just using your supernatural spell on an ice assassin clone of them, or a great wyrm prismatic dragon (assuming you cant just make ice assassin god clones).
« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 08:49:42 PM by Azrael »