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[PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« on: September 16, 2022, 09:39:34 AM »
Take a Bard, Skald, or Argent Dramaturge with the Music Beyond the Spheres masterpiece, use the Limited Wish to obtain a Shadowbard spell, and command the Shadowbard to start a new Music Beyond the Spheres masterpiece performance each round, creating more Shadowbards as each runs out.

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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2022, 09:59:15 PM »
Whats actually gained here tho if the wishes are just spent on getting another wish?

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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2022, 11:21:15 PM »
Whats actually gained here tho if the wishes are just spent on getting another wish?
The Shadowbard lasts multiple rounds and doesn't eat your uses or stats, so that first Shadowbard spits out Music Beyond the Spheres until it drops to make additional Shadowbards, thus giving exponential Limited Wishes. Growth rate is constrained primarily by Con+Wis scores, but it's entirely trivially reaching the eighth power per round.

Edit: Wait, no, it's the other way around, the stats contribute to how long it's doubling until it picks up a slight dropoff. With 10 Wis/Con, the Shadowbards should be able to do it ten times each, then they start disappearing, so you end up with 1024-1 when they start popping, and from there the doubling affects both portions. Which... Does basically nothing to how it explodes because the very worst case scenario of being capable of it is still half a million Limited Wishes in two minutes.

Of course, since the Limited Wish is interpreted by the DM acting the part of a Dark Tapestry entity, it's a quick way to cause a drastic breech in reality, but that fluff issue is fairly standard for TO shenanigans like this.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 11:39:56 PM by Versatility_Nut »

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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2022, 05:10:43 AM »
Eh, if the GM does not count starting a new Music Beyond the Spheres masterpiece each round counts as continuing the performance it was initially directed to perform, you will have to direct each shadowbard with your own move actions unless you start using freeform limited wishes to provide directions en-masse.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 05:20:05 AM by Power »

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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 02:48:08 PM »
Thoughtful Wish-Maker regional trait can be used to fully prevent your wishes from going bad
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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 04:04:40 PM »
No it can't. They're aberrations, not outsiders.

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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2022, 02:28:49 PM »
Tawil is an Great Old One outsider
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Re: [PF] A very simple infinite Limited Wish loop
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2022, 09:46:33 PM »
Well-spotted, but that only works if you can Limited Wish or something that Tawil will be the one to interpret your future Limited Wishes, and the GM could rule that Tawil (and perhaps outsiders) does not count as an "alien entity" and therefore is invalid to answer your Limited Wishes. And even if you get Tawil, you run the significant probability that his interpretation is dictated by Yog-Sothoth, who is not an outsider.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2022, 07:49:19 AM by Power »