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Offline darqueseid

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Captain Planet
« on: June 18, 2012, 04:12:43 PM »
Does this work?
Metaconcert fun:
Telepath 5/thrallherd 6
thrall 1:
(allurin) seer 5/thrallherd4/fiend of posession 1 (early feats and flaws used to get mindlink for thrallherd)
Thrall 2(seer's thrall):
(allurin) shaper 5/thrallherd 3/fop1
Thrall 3(shaper's thrall):
(allurin) Kineticist 5/thrallherd 2/fop1/
Thrall 4(Kineticist's thrall):
(allurin)  Egoist 5/thrallherd 1/fop1
Thrall 5(egoist's thrall):
(allurin)  shaper 5/fop1
(the manifesters can be re-ordered in discipline of course)

Let's say all the fop thralls go ethereal and posess items all about our telepath hero's body.   Separately they can all manifest powers of different disciplines on thier turn,

But the level 11 telepath could use metaconcert to combine all the powerpoint pools and gain access to EVERY power they all individually know at a base +6 save DC and with a powerpoint pool equal to the lowest manifesters powerpoint pool total x 6(at least 210 assuming a 18 int in all psions)
Assuming every thrall takes different powers this entity could know up to 88 powers (including domain powers)

The power level grows exponentially, at level 15 the telepath gets a second thrall, upping the power level a bit.

I dunno if its game breaking, but it'd be cool to say "your powers combined...."




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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 12:14:27 PM »
You don't really need the Fiend of Possession level. Make them all necropolitans and Haunt Shift them into the items instead, to save a level, and get rid of the nasty FoP prereqs.

I did something somewhat similar, but didn't go for the thrall with a thrall, etc (I did abuse Metaconcert + my thralls + believers, though). I also just used a set of Ring Gates, so that my followers and I could sit around and chill, and manifest powers through the Ring Gates (which my allies took with them adventuring), instead of having to actually take all of my followers with me. And my thrallherd character was Haunt Shifted into an item, not the followers... and he had an uber-psicrystal (ala "The Big Guy is with Me"). :D

I do like the idea, though. It's a great usage of Thrallherd, even without the Thrall with a Thrall with a Thrall, etc. Metaconcert + Believers is actually quite strong by itself.
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 05:26:46 PM »
I think you can fit in a few level 6 followers from high leadership scores, as well.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 12:12:50 PM »
Oh we can do better than that. So at second level after LA buyoff:

Necropolitan Human Erudite (Telepath Discipline) 1/ Major Bloodline 3 (Buyoff)/ Thrallherd 1

Feats:
1st: Overchannel
Bonus: Psicrystal Affinity
Human: Improved Psicrystal
Flaw: Improved Psicrystal
Flaw: Improved Psicrystal
Bloodline 2: Improved Cohort

Thrall: Necropolitan Human Erudite 1

Feats:
Bonus: Psicrystal Affinity
1st: Improved Psicrystal
Bonus: Improved Psicrystal
Human: Improved Psicrystal
Flaw: Improved Psicrystal
Flaw: Improved Psicrystal

Both Psicrystals have the feat Leadership at 6th. Both Cohorts follow the feat progression of the original build adding enough improved psicrystal feats to advance the next cohort to one additional level higher and both of there psicrystals take Leadership and leadership improving feats. All of the followers are first level erudites following the feat progression of the second build. We now have infinite psicrystals, followers, cohorts of every level up to 17th.

First Cohort: Necropolitan Human Erudite (Telepath Discipline) 1/ Major Bloodline 3 (Buyoff)/ Thrallherd 4

Second Cohort: Necropolitan Human Erudite (Telepath Discipline) 1/ Major Bloodline 3 (Buyoff)/ Thrallherd 3

Then we manifest metaconcert and find a statue and haunt shift it then make it colossal and have all the psicrysrtals attach to it.

In the end we should look like this:
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 01:03:40 PM »
If you are doing the shards of leadership trick, might as well go epic with it. Epic Leadership can get you far better than 17th level cohorts.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 01:15:59 PM »
Vampireshado: I have no idea how you think bloodlines work, but it doesn't seem to be remotely like how most people think they work.

1) You can't buy them off, as they aren't LA.
2) You don't get feats for them at all, as they aren't hit dice/class levels.

And Thrallherd requires 8 ranks in a skill, meaning you have to have 5 levels in other classes to qualify.

So other than forcing your "main" build to start at 6th level (to qualify for Thrallherd), I don't know how that affects everything else. I think it would still work, as Improved Psicrystal + Leadership chains do work as you're using them.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 02:23:52 PM »
I agree with PlzBreakMyCampaign's interpretation of bloodlines in that they don't count for ECL, but apparently there is a common thought that they do function as LA and can be bought off or so I've been told.

As for the feat's part it specifically says under the custom bloodlines section that they can grant bonus feats. Now as a DM I definitely wouldn't allow this, but we are in TO land so...

As for ML and skills, bloodlines count for progressing both of those, which allows us to qualify for Thrallherd.

I'm not saying this would ever be allowed in anything half-way sane, it's just theory. Besides even if we completely ditched bloodlines we could just psicrystal affinity/leadership until we were high enough for thrallherd. It would hardly change the combo at all.
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 02:38:42 PM »
With flaws, the shards of leadership trick can be done at level 1 without bloodlines as an erudite (level 2 as a psion). I don't see why being a thrallherd at ECL 2 is needed at all.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 02:53:36 PM »
Yeah I realized that. I have a habit of over complicating things :blush So Human Erudite with the shards of leadership trick and some thrallherds eventually as cohorts and then you have infinite psicrystals, followers, and cohorts. Besides having infinite PP im sure this gives you all sorts of crazy stuff.
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 05:47:15 PM »
As for giving crazy stuff, to start with it gives you epic cohorts down the chain, when the level 17 ones from normal leadership do the improved psicrystal chain to a level 26 psicrystal (add a few level 17 cohorts wealth for +5 charisma tome, +6 charisma item and include the 6 increases from levels), that can then take epic leadership with a for a level 22 cohort, and then continue that broken chain towards infinity.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 11:17:02 PM »
Hahaha so we have an infinite amount of Cohorts up to an infinite level. That's very ridiculous and very silly. I enjoy it haha :clap
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:59 AM »
Only nigh-infinite cohorts of a nigh-infinite level. To actually achieve truly infinite followers, you'd need infinite charisma down the chain (that's how Pun-Pun does it). Truly infinite cohorts can't, AFAIK, be done at all.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2012, 12:02:38 PM »
How is it not infinite? For each psicrystal you have a ton of followers who each have their own psicrystal with a ton of followers ect. For each psicrystal chain there is an endless ammount of cohorts. I know it's not truely infinite, but for all mechanical purposes it is correct?
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 03:01:49 PM »
"It's not truly infinite" is exactly his point. We do make a distinction between "arbitrarily high numbers" and "infinity" around here, because the concentration of nerds here is high.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 03:03:54 PM »
"It's not truly infinite" is exactly his point. We do make a distinction between "arbitrarily high numbers" and "infinity" around here, because the concentration of nerds here is high.

but not "arbitrarily high"  :D

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2012, 03:31:06 PM »
Okay so we just choose when to stop gaining followers and cohorts? Or the world runs out of people? We could certainly get in The Guinness Book of World Records for the biggest Metaconcert.
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2012, 03:38:23 PM »
Okay so we just choose when to stop gaining followers and cohorts? Or the world runs out of people? We could certainly get in The Guinness Book of World Records for the biggest Metaconcert.
No, Pun-Pun still holds that record, with his truly infinite amount of level 20 followers from epic leadership.

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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2012, 04:13:07 PM »
Well yeah but I thought Pun-Pun didn't count because he wins at everything! Is there a non Pun-Pun way of getting infinite Charisma?
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2012, 06:28:40 PM »
Well yeah but I thought Pun-Pun didn't count because he wins at everything! Is there a non Pun-Pun way of getting infinite Charisma?

Collect so many Succubi in one place that they reach critical mass and trigger fusion (which I bet succubi would like).  This can be done since the Abyss has infinite layers.  Then you'll have a self-sustaining Charisma-star.
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Re: Captain Planet
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2012, 07:09:15 PM »
Hahaha you're killing me today... We can collect enough succubi with our nigh-infinite cohorts!
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