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Amulet of Second Chances
« on: July 24, 2012, 12:18:23 AM »
Okay, I know it says it works once per day...but is it me, or could a case be made that, as written, it can actually be used an unlimited number of times per day without contradicting that?

Consider: the amulet resets time to the beginning of your turn, moving creatures, removing damage and other conditions incurred, and "in all other ways "resetting" events."

Using the amulet is an event, and as such, would logically be reset.

Ergo, the player should be able to use it again...and again, and again, and again...and still technically only use it once in the day (since all of the other uses were undone and never actually happened.)

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 12:26:03 AM »
Nice try.

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 01:24:49 AM »
Maybe if you have two, you could reset one with the other infinitely. But I agree with Solo, not just a single one.
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 01:29:09 AM »
I suppose a logical argument could be made, but no one would let you do it. Think of it like the dagger in PoP: Sands of Time; everything resets at the cost of the Sands of Time in the dagger. Replace the sand with magic charge and its the same thing.

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 10:07:12 AM »
I suppose a logical argument could be made, but no one would let you do it. Think of it like the dagger in PoP: Sands of Time; everything resets at the cost of the Sands of Time in the dagger. Replace the sand with magic charge and its the same thing.


Of COURSE nobody would let you do it.  Nobody would let you do 99.9% of what comes up on this board!

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 02:30:40 PM »
Yup, it works that way.

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2012, 05:45:23 PM »
Gotta love Time paradoxes.


iirc - the Terminator/Monty time
scrubbing, needs an infinite loop
ability first, and then that powers
the time scrubbing.

You're going with the Amulet
powering it's own time loop ... (?!)
Sounds kinda T.O.-ish to me.
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 09:35:52 PM »
Yup, it works that way.

I really don't think so, since the use hasn't expired (been used) until after the restart.

That's why you need two to loop it
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 09:51:08 PM »
First of all people, this is a known trick. Been around since I was lurking on gleemax.

You hit someone, then use the charge off the Amulet, then the amulet makes it so neither happened. The charge is still there, because. the amulet made it so that it was not used when it reset your turn. It does time loop itself. You have one of these? You can keep re-trying that attack until you roll a nat20, and max damage.

This is based on reading the way the item works as written. Basically, it does not work as intended as written.

As far as:
Sounds kinda T.O.-ish to me.
I suppose a logical argument could be made, but no one would let you do it.
Nice try.

Doubt it will fly.

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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 07:23:18 PM »
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 10:04:22 PM »
This is the "You Break it You Buy it" subforum people. This is where the Hulking Hurler, Pun-Pun, Chuck, and other absolute ridiculous TO crap goes. Saying "well, how I'd make it work is..." has no bearing here. This is the land where RAW goes to die, and RAI just cries. Because WE KNOW this is not how this crap was intended. But that is how it was written.
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 10:22:50 PM »
You are adorable.

I am not entirely sure how to take that. I will say that line about RAI crying was great fun to write.
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 11:20:48 PM »
So adorable.
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2012, 10:24:09 AM »
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Re: Amulet of Second Chances
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2012, 07:03:01 PM »
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Solo's been around a long time ...  :whistle ... he knows the drill.

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