Min/Max Boards

 

Love the ideas so far. I'll have to start integrating them into the vault. The Luminous Order has giving my artificer permission to start building it in the basement of their keep, the Shining Citadel. We're all Luminary Champions of the order now too.

So I am playing an artificer character in the Forgotten Realms. We've completed the Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde and we've captured the Tome of Slaughtergarde.  It's an Artifact so my character can't simply eat it for XP. So instead he's decided to build an impenetrable chest or vault to safely store it until it can be redeemed or destroyed.

Assuming price is no object how would you build such an item? Let's start assuming a caster level of 9 and adding individual upgrades until it reaches Epic prices.

My initial requirement thoughts are as follows.

• Protection from mundane breakage -   Make it from Riverine, this also protects it from Incorporeal thieves.
• Protection from  Scrying -  We don't want the bad guys to find it easily.
• Bigger on the Inside - Use shrink item to increase it's carrying capacity
• Permanent Dragoneye Rune ( Dragon Magic, pg 66) - We want to find it if it somehow gets entirely moved.
• Spell Immunity to Knock, Disintegrate, and Disjunction - any other spells  open or destroy Riverine?

These are just my initial thoughts. Eventually I'd like to make it an intelligent animated object with the special purpose of collecting evil items and keeping them safe until they can be redeemed or destroyed.

What would you add? 

Ghostwalk Ghost is a +0 Lvl adjust incorporeal outsider template. If you have Cha 15+ you can take the Ghost touch feat from Libris Mortus and treat all items as Ghost touch to overcome the limitations of being incorporeal.

I wonder how high I can get a craft check without any additional ranks.

(+4) INT Modifier + (+5) Enhancement bonus from Crafting Magical Item + (+4) Sacred bonus from Words of Creation + (+2) Circumstance bonus from Masterwork Tools + (+2) Circumstance bonus from Bigby's Helpful Hand spell + (+5) Competence bonus from Magecraft Spell + (+2) Morale bonus from Heroism spell = 4+5+4+2+2+5+2 = +24 before ranks

Should be doable I think with the resources I'll have available at 6th level with my Artificer. Since most Masterwork items only need a check of 25 that should cover the majority of what I need. Too bad I can't rely on taking 10 as well, since the setting of World's Largest Dungeon disallows taking 10 or 20 on skill checks. Did I miss any other sources of bonuses? Or would anything be a better investment than items with the above spells? I'll probably have to start with Eternal Wands of the arcane spells to cast before I use Fabricate itself. Which will limit the number of times per day I can max my check to 2 for the near future anyway

Blood magus really wouldn't work because of that whole being brought back from the dead requirement. Candle caster has interesting flavor but also doesn't give any advantages over just being an artificer.

I think I may have convinced my DM to allow for a Good Variant Tainted Sorcerer though. Since the party has an Astral Deva adventuring with us 24/7 exposing the party to her Supernatural Goodness at all times. She's agreed to provide a feather for a quill and blood for use in ink as long as they are used for healing or good spells anyway. I figure that would easily count as exposure to a good tainted source and she can also work as the opposite of learning the magic from a summoned demon or devil.

Now I just have to survive to 6th level with -4 con and wis to get the first level in the class and all our material component woes vanish. Blood Component can substitute for any material component for a spell, and Fabricate is a 3rd level Trapsmith spell so...

It will be interesting to play the game as adventurers with no need to loot anything in the long term. We can concentrate our efforts on what is the most Good thing to do instead. I so plan to take Craft Rune Circle and start crafting circles of create food and water at each of our camp sites attuned to Good alignments for any other poor souls who get trapped in the dungeon like we have. I'll probably set up healing circles as well as long as I have enough craft xp available.

Well for a quill I was waiting until our Astral Deva grows her wings at 3rd level. Good call about the dark mantels. I was thinking of making potion darts from the stirge proboscis. We have a full Krenshar pelt now too. Spent some time roasting that's meat since we know we are trapped in the dungeon now in character and will need to conserve food.

I'm still debating what to do for my third level feat. Would Ancestral Relic be worth it or should I take another Magical Artisan feat attached to Legendary Artisan? I already have one attached to Extraordinary Artisan. My DM is allowing them to stack since they give reduced cost reductions each time it's taken. I worry about being able to find consecrated ground to do the prayers needed for Ancestral Relic.

I'm definitely going to need to find enough supplies for an alchemy lab and magic crafting station. I had originally wanted to bring enough Shapesand to cover that, but couldn't realistically have crafted that myself to start with at first level. Need 40lbs for an alchemy lab with the assumption that it takes the same weight of sand to make an object.

Marvelous pigments are a good idea once I get to a level that can make them. I'm limited by the spell level for major creation. I'll need some seed materials but then I can make more supplies then it costs to make one of these magic items with some left over. Time will be the biggest issue then.

I wish multiple dedicated wrights could be used to craft more than one object at a time.

If only it were that simple, all summoning, teleportation, dimensional travel, and extra dimensional spaces are forbidden due to the heavy handed house rules instilled by the book.

I may have to take the ancestral relic feat to make the make whole or fabricate item that I want first.

I know it's going to be rough, if I can find a source of crafting materials though my character will become indespensible to the party. We're eventually going to run out of ammunition at the very least if I can't make more. Until then I'm making my way as the party trap finder and disarm specialist using my shape sand tools. Wish I could have afforded more than one jug.

Are there rules for scavenging material from existing items? I know you can repair things with a craft check but what about parting them out? Other than the artificer's eat items for xp ability?

Well with the Tennebrous vestige you get unlimited turns, one at a time. Great for fueling the devotion feats or other divine feats. Water gets you an at will water elemental, sun can have your weapon glow with true sunlight if you expect to face vampires, travel can let you take a move as a swift action, holy vigor can give fast healing to all living allies equal to your charisma modifier for a minute.

What could be even better is 2 levels of chameleon on the factotum side for the changeable bonus feat for these.

Maybe look into shadow craft mage on the factotum side also. You could end up with unlimited lower level spells if you can use the illusions from haures or the other vestiges to create the shadow conjuration/evocation effects. Haures gives at will major image and another one gives persistent image, but I can't remember which one.

Also don't forget to read the binder summoning handbook for zceryll.

Looks like you're right. Hadn't read it that closely for a long time.