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Swifty. Might need to make some scrolls of ___strike for the party rogue. Persist those bad boys for all day undead or golem stabbing.

I couldn't find the Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer thread on this board, so here we go anyway.

Can an Incantatrix use the Cooperative Metamagic ability to modify a spell that a character casts via Use Magic Device. Example: Rogue wants to cast Gravestrike from a scroll. Can the incantatrix modify the spell with the Persistent Spell feat so the Rogue can sneak attack undead for the whole day?

I have a character who is supposed to be a ranger, a guide and a tracker. The obvious main class would be Swifthunter. Tasty tracking, arrow shooting goodness. The character also is supposed to be very pious and a devout follower of Elhonna. So the obvious answer would be Swifthunter // Cleric. However, the character wouldn't feel right if he had access to great, divine power. He'd be the one bouncing off of three different canyon walls to land six arrows in a giant's shielded eyeball, not the one bringing the power of the Gods down to smite the thing. He should really be skills monkey in nature. So I'm having some trouble in finding the right class to pair Swifthunter with while taking a *SINGLE* level Cleric dip for mostly devotion related stuff.

The rest of the party looks like this:

Cleric // Paladin, Crusader, etc.  Holy Warrior of smitey smiting.
Archivist // Wizard, Incantatrix. Spell caster extraordinaire (and pretty squishy too!)
Swordsage // Daring Outlaw. Stabby McStabber. DPS to the Holy Tank above. Frankly silly amount of damage output.
Druid // Barbarian, Fist of the Forest, etc. OHJESUSITSADINOSAURRUNAWAY!!

So with three(!) characters with full spell casting, three characters capable of mixing it up in melee pretty well and one skill monkey, adding some ranged damage and massive skill monkery is necessary.

So...

Swift Hunter, 1 level Cleric Dip for Devotions + What?

Okay, so we're looking at something more like this...

[Lesser Aasimar]
1) Law Devotion, Knowledge Devotion, Power Attack, True Faith, Serenity
3) Extra Granted Maneuver
5) Improved Initiative
6) Leadership, Diehard, Divine Spell Power
9) Battle Blessing
12) Holy Warrior Reserve Feat
15) Extra Turning
18) Extra Turning

Stats in order...
WIS > STR > CON = CHA > INT > DEX

What spells would make the most use of Divine Spell Power? By the time I take it, I will be able to up the CL by anywhere between +1 and +10 based on rolls.

Considering I won't be pumping Wis too hard, just enough to cast spells (make enemies take saves is the Archivist//Conjurer,MasterConjurer,Incantrix,Archmage's job) what spells would make the best use of Divine Spell power? Considering I'm pumping Cha over Wis, having a +6 Cha bonus, +2 for Knowledge(Religion), +3 Divine Spell Power means that I'm anywhere from +1 to +10 CL for a given spell. Not too shabby. All at level 6.

Hehe, at Level 7, casting a +X CL buff then having the Incantrix make it Persistent seems like a pretty potent combo.

Yeah. That'd be a little too much cheese for me. Being able to effectively quicken every standard action Cleric spell would be a little too much gouda for me. xD

What would you replace Divine Vigor with? List of Holy Warrior feats are in Complete Champion. Yondalla's Sense would be nifty but it doesn't really fit the character. If I use Knowledge Devotion instead of Shocktrooper + Knowledge spells, Holy Warrior instead of Shock Trooper (can't believe I forgot Holy Warrior in that progression!) Still have a bunch of Extra Turnings that you suggested against.

It would then be something like...

1) Law Devotion, Knowledge Devotion, Power Attack, Extra Turning, True Faith, Divine Might
3) Extra Granted Maneuver
5) Improved Initiative
6) Leadership, Diehard, [Holy Warrior ACF Feat]
9) Battle Blessing
12) Holy Warrior Reserve Feat
15) Extra Turning
18) Extra Turning

Originally the lack of Divine Metamagic was centered around the fact that one of the character's teammates was an Incantrix and got most of my buffs persisted that way. The other bit was that most GMs I've played with put the kabosh on Nightstick abuse.

I'm currently swapping the Knowledge Domain bonus for a fighter feat. In order to get the most out of Knowledge Devotion, I'd need a bunch of Knowledge skills, right? INT is one of this character's few dump stats and after Concentration, Diplomacy, Spellcraft, prereq skills (Heal, Ride) I may only have enough skill points to go for one or two knowledge skills. Is it worth it at that point or would getting a fighter feat and access to the Knowledge Domain spells make more sense?

Would it make sense, since I'm already getting extra swift actions, to go DMM Quicken or should I stick to the tried and true DMM Persist?

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