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D&D uses physical dimensions, not weight, for determining what size something is. A large constrictor 8 ft long only weighs 25 lbs. - the same weight as a "small" creature.

So you don't have to restrict yourself to a "tiny" size. You can be a 3 foot whip and be "small" or a 6 foot whip and be "medium."

Unless the whip in its natural form is under 2 and a half feet long...

The SRD already has rules on quadrupedal creatures. No reason to dig through other homebrew to find different ones.

It would also be a big and irritating job to comb through the index for all the creatures with 4 legs and/or no fine manipulation and add these abilities.

Yes, but I thought it would help players to note the explicit benefits of quadruped. I don't see a "quadruped" racial trait summarizing all the implications in the SRD. Is there one? All I see is a note saying "carry weight is as for a quadruped."

Maybe that's all that's needed in these four-legged races is to note the carry weight is different? Or is that holding hands too much?

And they're going to pick stuff up with their mouths -  shouldn't we try to give them some well-thought-out ground rules on using their mouths as a crude manipulator? Is there a D&D term for "no fine manipulators?" Coz that comes from GURPS...

Perhaps both, and other common "unusual" monster features can be collected in an "intro" chapter to all monster races? Do we have one of those? Is that the FAQ? Is that the "extra material" section maybe?

Natural Armour is actually tied to an ability score in this scenario. The things that are tied to HD--DR and SR--you don't want increasing like that.

Why forbid Growth entirely? I can still easily get to Huge in the 6-level limit, and then just spend the feats on other features. Anthropomorphic Animal is hilariously broken in this. My advice would be to make it require increasing investment. One feat, powerful build; two feats, size category. Then two feats to get the effects of powerful build, one more to get the size category, etc.

No reason to forbid Growth.  I was unsure of how to handle it. I like your suggestion. Is there a list of "slight build/powerful build/monkey grip" size fiddling feats somewhere?

Of course not, I just have a 3yo who likes that book.

Fair enough.

For some reason, your name makes me think I should have used the moniker "Argent Bloodright" in stead of picklejuice... Ah well...

E6 is sort of the "game within the game" of D&D. It cuts off advancement of players at level 6. After which you can still advance - every 5000 xp you gain a new feat. It keeps the characters in that "heroic" age and limits access to tone-breakng magics like the ability to raise the dead. It says a 6d6 fireball (which would arguably kill every single 1st level commoner it hits) is power enough.

To illustrate...


But the main focus in this thread is to look at how to fit monster classes into an E6 campaign.

ECL and racial hit dice would normally forbid 99% of monster PCs from an E6 campaign, but I love this "start at first level" monster class homebrew.

I was encouraged to start this thread as it has not been brought up before. So. To start off with, in addition to the normal E6 feats available here ...

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?202109-E6-The-Game-Inside-D-amp-D-%28with-PDFs!%29

Let's take the iconic Red Dragon and see what feats would be unavailable, and what new feats we can make to offer more advancement as a dragon...

http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=269.0


Notes:

This being a much more feat-intensive campaign, I'd also take a look at all the monster feats generally available for use in constructing classes, so I'll post over on the feats thread too...

But specific to E6,

I think I'll round this initial "let's get the ball rolling" post with: Improved Natural Armor. With the level cap, no more HD means no more HD to advance natural armor as is the common tactic. I considered reintroducing Imp. Natural Armor as a monster feat one can use, but with BA possibly being capped too at +6 in general, I'm not so sure. Perhaps a cap of 4 Imp Nat Armor feats?

Sorry for whatever goofs I'm making, I might be an old hand at D&D, but I'm still a little clumsy when it comes to shared communities. I'd like to learn, so whatever errors I'm making I'd greatly appreciate it if you could IM me with suggestions.

Thank you.

Anywhere I can find discussion on using animated objects?

Here's a list of things I came up with...

Animated Bar of Soap, T (Grease: Ref 12 or fall prone)
Animated Bastilla, M (Bastilla (120', 2 full round actions, crew 1, to reload))
Animated Bellows Organ, H (Delicate (Each hit does an extra 1/4 damage. Any damage makes the organing poor); Organing (may play itself through its owner))
Animated Bolas, S (Fly 15', trip)
Animated Bolder, H (Trample (3d6+15) Ref 24)
Animated Book, T
Animated Bookcase, H
Animated Boomerang, S (Fly 15')
Animated Broom, M (sweep)
Animated Candelobra, T (light)
Animated Cart, M
Animated Catapault, Heavy, G (Catapault (200', Ref 15 or 6d6 dam. Reload: full round, Crew 4))
Animated Chain/Cable/Wire, H (Constrict (2d6+10). May constrict 2 Med at once)
Animated Chair, S
Animated Chest, M (Swallow Whole (S or smaller))
Animated Cloth Doll/ Pillow, T
Animated Couch, L
Animated Footstool, T
Animated Gravestone / Statue, Small, S
Animated Jello, Med, M
Animated Knife, T
Animated Laboratory, L
Animated Ladder, L
Animated Manacles and Chain, L (Constrict (1d8+6), or Manacle(in grapple, pin result: Manacled: Escape art 30, Str check 26 to break, 10 hp to break))
Animated Net, M (Entangle(S,M or L only: Escape 20, Burst 25, HP 5 to break) Constrict (1d6+1) )
Animated Ram, C
Animated Rocking Horse, S
Animated Rug, M
Animated Sack, S (Blind in stead of grapple damage in grapple)
Animated Scarecrow/Tailor's dummy, M
Animated Sheet/Tapestry, L (Blind in stead of grapple damage in grapple)
Animated Ship's Mooring Line, G (Constrict (2d8+15). May constrict 2 L at once)
Animated Shovel, M (Dig)
Animated Siege Tower, G
Animated Spiked Chain, L (Constrict (2d4+6))
Animated Statue, Col tall, C
Animated Statue, Gar tall, G
Animated Statue, Huge tall, H
Animated Statue, Large tall, L
Animated Statue, Med, M
Animated Statue, Tiny, T
Animated Stone Wall, H
Animated Suit of Armor, M
Animated Tent, C (Blind in stead of grapple damage in grapple)
Animated Torch, S (Slam +1 (1d4)+1fire... and light)
Animated Tower, C
Animated Wagon, H
Animated Wardrobe, L (Trample (1d8+6) Ref 15, Swallow Whole (M or smaller on grapple))
Animated Wheeled Cage, L (Trample (1d8+6) Ref 15, Swallow Whole (M or smaller on grapple. Mwk lock resists picking (-20 to unlock), victim can reach out between bars))

Is there a discussion thread highlighting each of the monster types (outsider, undead, etc) and marking which abilities in it should be available at what level? Immunities, not needing to eat or sleep, no critical hits or flanking, etc?

I'm guessing we're not concerned, here, with fiddly bits like the full explicitly spelled out "race" description including: Description, Personality, Physical description, Relations, Alignment, Lands, Religion, Language, Names, Adventurers, Ability mods at 1st level, Size, Speed, Vision, Weapon familiarity, Languages, and Favored class. That's fine. Most of that is campaign-specific anyway, and this is just a straight rules and abilities homebrew.

Assuming it's already been discussed ad nauseum, where can I find a link to the nausious discussion of the "no ability penalties" thing I see in the core FAQ? I'm sure my concerns have already been voiced and I'd like to read about it on my own time rather than waste yours or the mods time asking them again.

Thanks!

Would be good to mark this as "native outsider" creature type, not "plain" outsider which has that non-dual nature thingie and doesn't need to eat or sleep. Yes?

You may call me picklejuice. Been gaming for 30 years, D&D, Shadowrun, Cyberpunk, GURPS, Rifts, Over The Edge, Heroquest 2nd ed, Pathfinder, etc. etc. etc.

Developed my own Doctor Who GURPS Adventures supplement BEFORE reading GURPS Time Travel. Created a GURPS character sheet reflecting a "default" skill list a la D&D 3.0, plus to-hit chart on the back.

Created a database of all D&D 3.5 monsters and created code to update monsters to higher levels.

Complied information on Palladium Games' Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles And Other Strangeness, combined it with Savage Species to create a very large anthropomorphic/furry racial database for D&D 3.5

Looking to dive into the Monster Classes thread, asking a few basic questions in the FAQ.