Lesser aasimar vs Illumian

[Masakan]

With Zero context, if you had to choose one of these 2 races who would it be and why?

[Keldar]

Illuman, it doesn't taste so much like stale cheese.

[ketaro]

With zero context I would not pick something labeled Lesser

[Masakan]

With zero context I would not pick something labeled Lesser

....i mean in terms of things like concept and campaign.

[ketaro]

Still wouldn't. *thumbsup*

[Satori]

Illumians are more interesting.  Also, awesome floaty head runes FTW!

[ketaro]

You can have advertisements floating around your face!

[linklord231]

All else being equal, I'd take Lesser Aasimar.  I don't really like the flavor of Illumian.  "They're humans, but with words that float around their heads!"  I'd rather be the great-great-great-great-great grandkid of an angel.  It's easier to explain to my gaming group. 

[ketaro]

"Humans that reincarnated as physical manifestations of words of (magical) power."

[Masakan]

"Humans that reincarnated as physical manifestations of words of (magical) power."

That's dumb.

[Keldar]

Its magic, you don't have to explain it.   

[SorO_Lost]

Mechanically it'd be the Illumians of course. They are a versatile Race with some really nice options.

Like Str is trivial to increase to imagine using Aeshkrau to base all your Bonus Spells off Str. Illumians also get access to Still Spell & Divine Metamagic without having to take the Feat. Plus yes, having a Racially granted +2 CL Bonus (for the purposes of duration, sr & such) at the 2nd level really helps Summon durations & buffs.

But Improved Sigil is trollbait amount the weak and retarded and Lesser Aasimar better for none-Prepared Charisma-based Spellcasters, and Charisma is a much more important stat than Intelligence (SLAs/SUs/etc are based off it). So I like them better.

[Masakan]

Mechanically it'd be the Illumians of course. They are a versatile Race with some really nice options.

Like Str is trivial to increase to imagine using Aeshkrau to base all your Bonus Spells off Str. Illumians also get access to Still Spell & Divine Metamagic without having to take the Feat. Plus yes, having a Racially granted +2 CL Bonus (for the purposes of duration, sr & such) at the 2nd level really helps Summon durations & buffs.

But Improved Sigil is trollbait amount the weak and retarded and Lesser Aasimar better for none-Prepared Charisma-based Spellcasters, and Charisma is a much more important stat than Intelligence (SLAs/SUs/etc are based off it). So I like them better.

I can see the use but like someone said earlier, saying that im the decedent of an angel is MUCH easier to explain.

[Keldar]

I could agree with that idea for Assimar, but Lesser Assimar is so much bullpucky I'm not about to stomach it.  No, being humanoid rather than outsider is not worth lowering your LA by one.  Just ask Hobgoblins what +2 to to stats is worth, and they don't get a SLA and a few energy resists.  Munchkin cheeseballs.

[SorO_Lost]

I can see the use but like someone said earlier, saying that im the decedent of an angel is MUCH easier to explain.

Pfft.
PC: I'm an Aasimar!
NPC1: What's that?
PC: It's like a humanish angel.
NPC1: So you mean a half-celestial?
PC: No, more like one of my grandparents was an angel.
NPC1: Why would an angel beyond death screw a mortal who has not died yet?
NPC2: Actually Aasimar's can descend from any good-aligned outsider or possibly the plane it's self.
NPC2: More than likely his grandmother had a dog fetish and mated with a Hound Archon.
NPC2: And he's a lesser Aasimar, unlike a real Aasimar he has a separate soul & body for no reason what-so-ever.
NPC1: Why?
NPC2: I have no idea, ask him.
NPC1: Did your shameful interspecies reproduction cause your outsider soul to split? Are... Are you like a horcrux?
Player: You're ruining this for me!
vs
PC: I'm an Illumian!
NPC1: What's that?
PC: It's like an animated Glyph of Warding sexted a Wizard's Spellbook except it requires a deity-provided soul because magic.
NPC2: Creatures can be made out of planes, complex organisms, golems, freaking fire, and so on. So why not magic it's self?
NPC1: Whatever, it sounds like truename magic and no one pays any attention to that underpowered BS.
PC: Pretty much, so I choose to be a Wizard.
NPC1: Let's adventure!

Edit - Fast Fact. In D&D 4th Aasimars lost their ability to procreate and in 5th they don't even exist outside of a suggestion yet.

[Masakan]

I could agree with that idea for Assimar, but Lesser Assimar is so much bullpucky I'm not about to stomach it.  No, being humanoid rather than outsider is not worth lowering your LA by one.  Just ask Hobgoblins what +2 to to stats is worth, and they don't get a SLA and a few energy resists.  Munchkin cheeseballs.

And yet Lesser aasimars are still only considered on par with humans.

I can see the use but like someone said earlier, saying that im the decedent of an angel is MUCH easier to explain.

Pfft.
PC: I'm an Aasimar!
NPC1: What's that?
PC: It's like a humanish angel.
NPC1: So you mean a half-celestial?
PC: No, more like one of my grandparents was an angel.
NPC1: Why would an angel beyond death screw a mortal who has not died yet?
NPC2: Actually Aasimar's can descend from any good-aligned outsider or possibly the plane it's self.
NPC2: More than likely his grandmother had a dog fetish and mated with a Hound Archon.
NPC2: And he's a lesser Aasimar, unlike a real Aasimar he has a separate soul & body for no reason what-so-ever.
NPC1: Why?
NPC2: I have no idea, ask him.
NPC1: Did your shameful interspecies reproduction cause your outsider soul to split? Are... Are you like a horcrux?
Player: You're ruining this for me!
vs
PC: I'm an Illumian!
NPC1: What's that?
PC: It's like an animated Glyph of Warding sexted a Wizard's Spellbook except it requires a deity-provided soul because magic.
NPC2: Creatures can be made out of planes, complex organisms, golems, freaking fire, and so on. So why not magic it's self?
NPC1: Whatever, it sounds like truename magic and no one pays any attention to that underpowered BS.
PC: Pretty much, so I choose to be a Wizard.
NPC1: Let's adventure!

Edit - Fast Fact. In D&D 4th Aasimars lost their ability to procreate and in 5th they don't even exist outside of a suggestion yet.

That explanation for illumian sounds super lazy. Ok fine...is there a way I can make a character that is a decedent of angels without it coming off as cheezy?

[SorO_Lost]

That explanation for illumian sounds super lazy. Ok fine...is there a way I can make a character that is a decedent of angels without it coming off as cheezy?

PC: I'm an Aasimar!
NPC1: What's that?
PC: A deity's black ops. We do the jobs that iconic outsiders can't, or won't, publicly do.
NPC2: That sounds more like a job description than a race.
PC: Whatevs, deities you know?
NPC1: So who are your parents?
PC: Two words, plausible deniability.

[Jackinthegreen]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#nativeSubtype

"Native Subtype
A subtype applied only to outsiders. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. Creatures with this subtype are native to the Material Plane (hence the subtype’s name). Unlike true outsiders, native outsiders need to eat and sleep."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/planetouched.htm#aasimar
Size/Type:   Medium Outsider (Native)

Aasimar already have a split soul and body based on the wording above that they can be raised etc just as other living creatures can be.

[Masakan]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/typesSubtypes.htm#nativeSubtype

"Native Subtype
A subtype applied only to outsiders. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. Creatures with this subtype are native to the Material Plane (hence the subtype’s name). Unlike true outsiders, native outsiders need to eat and sleep."

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/planetouched.htm#aasimar
Size/Type:   Medium Outsider (Native)

Aasimar already have a split soul and body based on the wording above that they can be raised etc just as other living creatures can be.

I always thought being a lesser aasimar basically meant you were more or less human but have Celestial blood running through them.

Ok new question, are aasimars and Tieflings worth the LA?

[SorO_Lost]

At the start of 3.5 WotC placed a lot of value on healing, DR, and Resistance.

Towards it's end, they didn't even care.