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Offline Daebu

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Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« on: December 05, 2013, 06:12:08 PM »
In short, any 3.5 WotC source. 3rd party or Dragon Mag on case-by-case basis.

Do I want to use Lord of the Uttercold (Feat), Frost Mage (PrC), or both? It seems to me that each makes the other somewhat less effective, but perhaps there's something I'm missing. What other useful or flavourful classes would I be looking at? Any extra tricks? Perhaps I can only optimize this so far, and then I'm better off focusing the rest of my energy on Undead, Enervate or similar, or Fear effects?

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 07:40:38 PM »
I guess they were waiting for me to take first crack.

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Really it's more about damage augmentation that Spell, but never the less it's a list of stuff you should make usage of.

Unlisted is also the Black Lore of Moil. It's not a terrible Feat, up to +5d6 Negative Energy Damage added to a 9th level Necromancy Spell. But Necromancy isn't a very damage worthy School and said example consumes 375gp per use.

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 09:40:03 PM »
Awesome, so that answers part of the second question. Anyone want to take a crack at LotUc vrs. Frost Mage's Piercing Cold?

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 10:33:00 PM »
Get a way to cast your spells spontaneously (Uncanny Forethought, Spontaneous Divination + Versatile Spellcaster, etc), and take LotUC and the Piercing Cold feat (instead of Frost Mage class). You'll probably also want Easy Metamagic applied to Piercing Cold. Then you can choose whether to apply PC or not based on whether you want to heal your undead minions, or nuke a white dragon. If you also add Black Lore of Moil, your undead will still come out ahead even if you make it a Piercing Cold spell.
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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 06:04:25 AM »
I myself have not long ago created a cold-themed wizard with MASSIVE DC's boosted with Snowcasting (making every spell cold-type), snow focus, draconic aura: Energy (cold), spell focus and tattoo focus. He is Silerbrow Human human (dragonblood subtype) which makes his draconic aura (boosts DC's of all cold spells) scale with character levels, thus having +9 DC to specialized school and +6 DC for EVERY spell regardless of school at 20th level and +7 and +5 respectively already at 9th level!. Mine is an enchanter but the specilization can be whatever (I have picked no enchantment only feats like shadowweave magic [I was not allowed to pick it]). The build can be seen here:



To turn your spells into cold-spell you need some kind of snow. The way my character would deal with this would be using a wand of Summon Component. Some argue that the feat Eschew Materials can deal with the snow, but as I read the feat it is only able to conjure components the spell require to be cast (and the snow used with snowcasting is added AFTERWARDS), but ask your GM how he interpret it.

All the snow feats are from frostburn.

On top of that you can also get the Icemail armor (also from Frostburn) that adds an extra +2 DC to all cold spells. It's expensive though (52,000 GP). If you feel really cheesy you can ask you GM if your character can be of old age with Necropolitan template (+0 LA) on top of that. The 2nd old age step grants you +2 int, +2 wis, +2 cha and "only costs you -3 str, -3 dex, -3 con, but as undead that con penalty doesn't matter and STR is dump stat already, meaning that for +2 to all your mental stats all you really are losing is 3 dex (fair trade I would say). On top of that you swap your d4 Hit dice out with a d12 and you are immune to all mind affecting effects and almost every fortitude based affect aswell. Muhahaha. In fact if you are specializing in necromancy being undead fits your theme.

I hope it is of any help. :)
« Last Edit: December 06, 2013, 06:25:14 AM by Jalle »

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 08:31:00 AM »
The Spellstrike feat from Dragon 311 allows you to add the Concussive template to any spell which deals hit point damage. That way any creature damaged by the spell must make a Balance check (DC 10 + CL) or be knocked prone. Particularly nice when you remember that any creature with <5 ranks in Balance is flat-footed while balancing.
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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 12:40:20 PM »
Awesome, so that answers part of the second question. Anyone want to take a crack at LotUc vrs. Frost Mage's Piercing Cold?
Frost Mage's Piercing Cold has an added Bonus in that it ignores Spells & Items. For instance, Piercing Cold can still be blocked by the 120 absorption from Protection from Energy but a Frost Mage ignores it entirely.

LotUC has a dual edge to it. It's not one half of the damage bypasses Immunity, it's one half of the damage is another Damage type. They has it's own positive and negative aspects. For instance, Undead are typically Immune to Cold and heal from Negative Energy, whilst PC still deals 1/2 damage, LotUC heals them for 1/2. This is why LotUC is typically seen in Necromancer builds, an area Spell is a way to damage your enemies as well as heal your allies.

So which would I think is better? Snowcast.
Because with Snowcast every Spell is Cold themed but you can deal any Energy Damage you want. Use Acid and call it "biting cold" or w/e.

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 04:19:36 PM »
Thanks guys. This nicely ran the gamut with the information I needed. :) Incidentally Jalle, I'm fairly certain the SWM Feat would be as good for a Necro. or Illus. as for an Enchanter. I'm fairy certain it's not Enchanting only. It just hits Transmutation and Evocation Spells with a nerfbat.

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Re: Help with a cold-focused Necromancy Wizard.
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2013, 02:28:46 AM »
Incidentally Jalle, I'm fairly certain the SWM Feat would be as good for a Necro. or Illus. as for an Enchanter. I'm fairy certain it's not Enchanting only. It just hits Transmutation and Evocation Spells with a nerfbat.

Yeah it was just me failing at saying what I really wanted to say: The build works for every specilization because no feats are bound to specific school(s), like SWM :). Obviously the feat is equally good for a enchanter, illusionist or an necromancer as long as you are not taking the amount of spells not allowing a save from each school into consideration (where necromancy wins afaik) :).
« Last Edit: December 07, 2013, 02:30:20 AM by Jalle »