Duration on persistable spells

[fuzzybits]

(Sorry for the repost. I initially put this in the wrong thread.)

I have a couple of questions regarding the duration requirement for persistable spells. These are all general use questions and not about a specific spell in general. I'm working on generating a list of all persistable spells (or at least probably persistable, it will have to be actually verified).

Firstly, I wanted to confirm that a dismissible spells do not necessarily count as discharged spells, unless they specify otherwise in the spell description.

Secondly, would any thing with an until ______ count as discharged for purposes of non persistable? All relevant examples are as follows:

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until all beams are exhausted
until awakened
until broken
until caster returns to his body
until completed
until desired spells are restudied
until destroyed
until discharged
until dispelled
until ended
until escaped
until exhausted
until expended
until landing
until opened
until released
until target dies
until the recipient eats food
until triggered
until underlying flight effect lapses
until used
until you are killed
until you return to your body

[kitep]

I'm not totally sure I understand your questions, but I'll try to answer.

Firstly, I wanted to confirm that a dismissible spells do not necessarily count as discharged spells, unless they specify otherwise in the spell description.

Right, the fact that the spell is dismissable does not mean it's a discharge spell.  However, dismissing the spell will end it -- you can't drop it then start it then stop it then start it.

Eg, Disguise Self has a duration of "10 min/level (D)"  You can persist this spell to have a duration of "24 hours (D)"

Secondly, would any thing with an until ______ count as discharged for purposes of non persistable? All relevant examples are as follows:

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until all beams are exhausted
until awakened
until broken
until caster returns to his body
until completed
until desired spells are restudied
until destroyed
until discharged
until dispelled
until ended
until escaped
until exhausted
until expended
until landing
until opened
until released
until target dies
until the recipient eats food
until triggered
until underlying flight effect lapses
until used
until you are killed
until you return to your body

Sounds right -- all these would be non-persistable.  Though I reserve the right to change my mind based on the actual spell.

[fuzzybits]

Of course! This is a general/programmatic outlook on it. Whether a DM or the rules allow it is on a case by case basis for each spell. And I'm not trying to do any fancy tricks with the Dismissable bit, but it's nice to know that it keeps its Dismissiable quality (albeit that fact doesn't concern either of my questions). I'm just working on making a 'possibly persistable spell list' to check and post up for the boards (as well as a 'not sure but lets check for shits and giggles persistable spell list').

Thank you for the answers!

[linklord231]

I believe most spells with a duration of "until _____" usually also have some other time limit as well, such as "10 minutes/level, or until discharged".  In those cases, I would rule that Persist would overwrite the time limit part, but not the "until" part.  So you could cast Persistant Stoneskin in the morning and have it last for 24 hours, or until it absorbs 150 damage, whichever comes first.