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Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« on: March 25, 2014, 12:51:36 AM »
Over on Something Awful's Pathfinder thread I found this cool link to a Google Doc spreadsheet.  It consolidates the averages of normal and touch AC, attack bonuses, spell resistance, CMB and CMD, saving throws, hit points, hit dice, and perception modifiers.

This can be a very useful tool for game balance purposes!

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 01:16:21 AM »
Is this just Bestiary 1, or all 3 (4?) Bestiaries that have been published so far?

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 05:52:57 PM »
Now all we need to do is convert this into line-graphs (i.e. "CR vs. Average Saving Throws") to make it easier to interpret. Also, to throw in Flat-Footed AC, DR, and energy resistances for completeness.

It would make things a lot easier we could input all monsters' base stats (i.e. ability scores, saving throws) into a database (such as would be made with MS Access), then make an app so a user could query "CR 16, saving throws" and get a full distribution of CR 16 monsters' saving throws, plus a table featuring other stuff like minimum, maximum, standard deviation, etc. Then throw in other fun stuff (i.e. "list undead CR 4 immune to electricity or have electricity resist 10 or higher"). Of course, such a database would be greatly assisted by including the monsters special abilities and immunities too (i.e. "12% of monsters are immune to fire"). Hell, I could probably design the thing, assuming Paizo hasn't already made it.

It would make optimizing a bit easier. That way, one could say with relative certainty how well a build fares against monsters in general.

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2014, 06:28:25 PM »
It only looks like Bestiary 1, but considering that most of the iconic monsters make an appearance there that's pretty good for most campaigns.

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2014, 11:51:27 PM »
Now all we need to do is convert this into line-graphs (i.e. "CR vs. Average Saving Throws") to make it easier to interpret. Also, to throw in Flat-Footed AC, DR, and energy resistances for completeness
With the tabs on the bottom you can select to see resistance, which shows all the energy resistances and immunities. There isn't a Flat-Footed AC or DR section, though.

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2014, 11:53:41 PM »
Touch AC is basically static, Will and Reflex saves are consistently the worst and Fort the best... I am not surprised.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2014, 11:59:13 PM by Raineh Daze »

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Re: Pathfinder Bestiary with average monster statistics
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2014, 08:55:50 PM »
So it looks like the monsters it draws from are not just the original Bestiary.  It incorporates a huge variety of Pathfinder splatbooks and up to the Bestiary 3.

Click the Bestiary icon in the bottom row, then scroll over to the column labelled "BD" for sources.