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Offline SorO_Lost

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2014, 08:43:30 PM »
This Is from a statistical Point of view. If I showed you it's stats on a piece of paper and DIDN'T tell you,
Then you have a completely worthless study that shits all over the scientific modal to prove a point.

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2014, 10:00:21 AM »
EDIT: The system is useless. I got a lower total than you for Ranger, but it was still too high, and it valued spellcasting far too low. I won't even bother with calculating the wizard.

This is more than a bit flawed. You would be better off using your own judgement rather than using this points system.

I took a look, then noticed the source.  I could have saved you time.  Dandwiki is, and will always be terrible.  Anyone who links me to things on there is usually asking for a thrown book.  I especially like when they site sources, and when I look at the actual source, well you know.

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2014, 08:40:54 PM »
d12 = 10x as many points as d4, but not even 3x as many HP from HD, a number which almost never even amounts to half your character's hit points, anyway.

Getting a +2 bonus to a saving throw from a class ability at level 4 is worth twice as much as getting a good base save as opposed to a poor base save, which amounts to a +2 to +6 bonus to the same save over time.

The ability to Turn or Rebuke Undead is just as expensive as having an Animal Companion.

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2014, 11:55:43 PM »
To be fair, Turn Undead (/Channel Energy) is probably about equal with a Druid's Animal Companion in PF, simply because Divine Metamagic doesn't exist.  Channel Energy is still a smidge better, but it's not leagues better like Turning was in 3.5. 
I'm not arguing, I'm explaining why I'm right.

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2014, 02:38:42 AM »
To be fair, Turn Undead (/Channel Energy) is probably about equal with a Druid's Animal Companion in PF, simply because Divine Metamagic doesn't exist.  Channel Energy is still a smidge better, but it's not leagues better like Turning was in 3.5.
That was the power of Divine Metamagic, not Turn Undead.  The Druid's AC is better than Turn Undead because it's a free Fighter as a relatively minor class feature.  The Druid's AC in PF isn't quite as good, but still better than Channel Energy because it's still about half a Fighter (at least as much due to the Fighter being better in PF as the AC being weaker), but it's still better than Channel Energy because Channel Energy is only really nicely effective in combat for a few mid-levels and serves to save money on healing wands after that.

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Re: PF And statistics! :D
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2014, 03:10:55 AM »
I'd say the extra hit points from Channel Energy are also about equal to half a fighter  :P  And they both stop being useful at around the same level range. 
Regardless, my point was that those two at least are roughly equivalent to each other.  Whether they're equivalent to other things with the same point value is a totally different story, and I haven't looked at the points system in question so I can't answer. 
I'm not arguing, I'm explaining why I'm right.