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Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« on: November 25, 2011, 07:05:05 PM »
I remember a long time back stumbling across Akodo's Technique, referring back to the old Avalanche of Blades Meditant, and thinking, "Hey, this would let you make a lot more attacks." And it did. It added several attacks to the chain before Avalanche would again miss and break the chain.

So now, enter the Kata, The Victory of the River (The Way of the Samurai, in the Rokugan series; pages 12-13).

You need Cleave, Great Cleave, Power Attack, and to burn 2,250 XP. Thankfully - and charmingly - XP is a river, after all.

You also need to be using a katana or a daisho. I realize that part is a bit of a bummer (yes, yes, taking Cleave and Great Cleave is also a bummer).

However, I promise that it's well worth it (until your DM unleashes his own infinite avalanche of rocks falling and everybody dying). In return, you get, for the 180-minute duration of the kata (which takes 30 minutes to prepare each time, but the XP cost is a one-time expense to learn the kata), a cumulative +5 insight bonus to all additional melee attacks in a round any time you hit an opponent with a melee attack.

Since Avalanche of Blades gives you a -4 penalty between attacks and this gives you a +5 bonus between attacks, you actually net a cumulative +1 bonus between attacks. As long as you can prevent automatic misses on a 1, and assuming your to-hit is high enough to land on every other result (2-20), you'll keep swinging until your enemy is a bloody pulp.

Note: you can still use Akodo's Technique. It's just mean and unnecessary because you don't actually need it to generate more attacks anymore. Instead, it just raises your to-hit to obscene levels at every subsequent attack.
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2011, 07:08:25 PM »
The insight bonuses to attack won't stack. You'll get +5 with first successful hit and... that's it. Meanwhile the -4 penalty will stack and stack and stack until you won't be able to hit.
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 07:16:19 PM »
The insight bonuses to attack won't stack. You'll get +5 with first successful hit and... that's it. Meanwhile the -4 penalty will stack and stack and stack until you won't be able to hit.

Please read more carefully. It is cumulative.
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 10:16:18 PM »
Nice.

Is there a maximum insight bonus you can get listed somewhere or does this go on forever?
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2011, 01:54:18 AM »
Nice.

Is there a maximum insight bonus you can get listed somewhere or does this go on forever?

Assuming you reach the point where you hit on Nat 2, the chain will only stop on a Nat 1 or until they are reduced to -1 or fewer. Basically it's Omnislash. I would suggest getting rerolls, preferably the free action variety. Every reroll should turn a miss into (on average) ten more attacks.

Sadly the only way I know offhand to not miss on a Nat 1 is to be a deity. And unfortunately "you must direct these attacks at a single foe" means that despite your ability to take out an overpowering foe, in the words of a certain Dwarf: "That still only counts as one!"
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2011, 01:56:59 AM »
What about that thing the 1d2 crusader uses to treat his ones as twos?
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2011, 01:58:32 AM »
What about that thing the 1d2 crusader uses to treat his ones as twos?

Only works for damage rolls. :(
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2011, 02:07:22 AM »
Hm. Weapon Supremacy only allows you to treat one attack roll per round as if you had rolled a 10...
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2011, 03:25:29 AM »
The spell choose destiny (Races of Destiny) lets you roll twice and take the better result for basically everything.  It's personal range, which on the one hand means you have to cast it yourself, and on the other hand means it's eligible for persistent spell.  It's high level, but you get a 1/400 chance of missing each attack, for an average of 399 hits. 

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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 05:12:43 AM »
The spell choose destiny (Races of Destiny) lets you roll twice and take the better result for basically everything.  It's personal range, which on the one hand means you have to cast it yourself, and on the other hand means it's eligible for persistent spell.  It's high level, but you get a 1/400 chance of missing each attack, for an average of 399 hits.

And it's a domain spell only, and a 9th level one at that. So a 7th level maneuver and a 9th level spell...excellent. It's been a while since I've combined a ToB maneuver with a persisted spell with Ruby Knight Vindicator. And if there's a swift action spell that allows rerolls... :plotting
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2011, 05:29:49 AM »
Sadism does thing with less effort.

Stacking +1 bonus per 10 damage dealt, just deal 40 damage per attack.

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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2011, 02:12:45 PM »
Psi has:
Second Chance seer 5 ... standard then ml/rounds to use
Fate of One seer 7 ... immediate
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 06:06:14 PM »
Crusader still works sorta, just need an Aura of Perfect Order.

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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 07:34:50 PM »
Sadism does thing with less effort.

Stacking +1 bonus per 10 damage dealt, just deal 40 damage per attack.

Doesn't Sadism only work for the next round? So it wont be going infinite since you need the bonus this round.

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For every 10 points of damage the caster deals in a given round while under the effect of this spell, she gains a +1 luck bonus on attack rolls, saving throws, and skill checks in the next round. The more damage the caster deals, the greater the luck bonus. It’s possible to get a luck bonus for multiple rounds if she deals damage in more than one round during the spell’s duration.
Emphasis mine, doesn't this mean that there's a one round delay to the trick.

If not, my RKV have just found a new spell to persist.
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Re: Kata the Infinite Avalanche: Avalanche of Blades Goes Infinite
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 11:06:48 PM »
Doesn't Sadism only work for the next round? So it wont be going infinite since you need the bonus this round.
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