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[3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« on: September 15, 2014, 12:19:04 AM »
I'm contemplating bringing a character out of retirement later on in the campaign I've been participating in. The character was actually the character I started out as but retired due to her level adjustment causing her to lag behind the rest of the party.

The Character is a Halfling with the Nymph Child template (+3adj)

Her build when I retired her wasn't very impressive since it was still really early in the campaign... Feel free to add any 1st level only feats and make any changes to the existing build except for removal of the Nymph Child template and changing the starting class (Ranger)... the Character must also still advance as a Druid & Ranger... ACFs are more than welcome (encouraged in fact). ACF chaining is not permitted.

Nymph Child:3/Ranger:1/Druid:4/?:12/Epic?:20

Feats:
Exotic Weapon (Chakram)
Dodge

Weapons: Small Scythe & Chakram
Animal Companion: Wolf
Traits: Uncivilized (From bring raised in the wild)
Flaws: Pick 2 (My DM is allowing me to select 2 flaws if I decide to bring her back into the campaign)

Since the Su abilities from the Nymph Child template are all CHA based, I was looking for some way to make Cha be used in more aspects of her build so that i can get some reasonable use out of the +3 level adjustment the template gave me.
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She's more combat focused than spell focused and I'd like it to stay that way. I do still use spells, Summonings & Buff/Debuffs mostly. I try to keep her within 30ft of her enemies so she can use her Chakram. Once she gains iterative attacks her Chakram can strike enemies further away by ricocheting up to 30ft between enemies.

I don't really know where to go for finishing up her build though. I was considering picking up the Dervish prC though... Just as with my other posts all but ToB are permitted.

She might possibly be brought back as a Cohort to my current character... maybe even go the other way around and make my current character her Cohort... On that note... would a level adjustment be factored into a Cohort's maximum level? Also, would a Level adjustment be factored into Leadership Score?
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Re: Rebuilding a Druidic Ranger - with high Charisma
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 06:12:19 PM »
Could really use some help with this... some ideas or anything...

The goal if possible is to use Charisma for as many aspects of her build as possible. I know there is a 3rd party feat called Weapon Panache that will allow me to use my Charisma for Attack rolls... I already add half my Charisma mod to my AC and Saves through the Nymph Child template. From there I'd need to find some way to use Charisma for my Spells and other class features rather than Dexterity or Wisdom, which I believe might not be possible... But since i'm not bound to use a high number of spells from my Druid or Ranger classes I can probably get by with a moderate Wisdom score and a high Charisma.

My DM does not allow Level Adj buy-offs so I'm stuck with the +3 level adjustment for the whole career of the character. Which is why I'm trying to increase her focus on Charisma based bonuses. Her template uses Charisma for just about everything it gives me so I may as well use that to full effect.

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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2014, 02:07:49 AM »
X Stat to Y Bonus is the go-to source for this.  My actual advice though, is don't bring the character back.  It's got too much LA, some weird multiclassing, and apparently a manufactured-weapon focus on a class geared towards natural weapons. 

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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 03:21:45 AM »
I've actually looked through the X Stat to Y Bonus guide a few times before... When it comes to Charisma, everything is focused around Clerics, Paladins, and Bards. There are a few feats that aren't limited to one of those classes, but they offer a limited per day use or only usable under specific conditions (save vs mind-altering, attacking with crossbow, ect...)... the Slippers of Battledancing might be about the only thing of value from that list for Making my charisma more relevant...

The +3 LA is why I retired her in the first place... but now that we're nearing epic levels I figure I could bring her back, at least as a cohort, and get some reasonable use out of her. Her only real issue is that her template is Cha focused, but her classes are Dex and Wis focused... redirecting the Dex to Cha isn't a problem... but Wis to Cha is a bit tougher...

Since I don't have much need for two nearly identical spellpools I'll likely take the Champions of the Wild ACF for Ranger to gain bonus feats in place of spells... And the Distracting Attack ACF would also come in handy since most of the party gains benefits from flanking enemies. Having the ability to "Flank" everyone she hits with her Chakrams would certainly be highly benefitial. As for Druid ACFs... She's already taking Halfling Druid... I don't need Wild Empathy from either class since I get it as a racial ability from Nymph Child... so Voice of the City & Spiritual Connection will both likely find their way onto my list as well...

A druidic character doesn't have to be played towards natural weapons either... Personally I'd like to keep her two manufactured weapons. Her Scythe has a Livewood haft providing her with a source of plant-life for any spell that requires a target of a plant when in areas that don't possess vegetation (most of the dungeon's we've been in so far). Not only does it act as a target for various spells, but it's also been fairly useful for when an enemy gets to close... keeping in mind that Wild Shape isn't obtained until 5th level and I retired her upon reaching 4th level druid... Is it really that uncommon for a druid to use a manufactured weapon at least for the first 4 levels? As for the Chakram, it's a rather fun and unique thrown weapon to use... I've actually considered making her more Ranger focused than Druid... but we already have a Ranger in the party...

I know it's an unusual way to build a Druidic character but I'd like to try at least.

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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 09:34:30 AM »
If you have access to more 3rd party material, you could use the Lost Tradition feat from the book "Bastards and Bloodlines" to completely shift your Druidic casting from Wisdom to Charisma based. Short of that, there aren't many things I know of that will have your Charisma do all of the work, and that's a "one-time" feat; you can't have duplicates of it, so whatever casting class you choose, it has to be that class or any prestige class you choose needs to specifically advance that previous class' spellcasting.

All in all that's the most help I can offer for making your Charisma actually pack a real punch on a Druid barring Animal Companion and Handle Animal silliness.

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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 09:36:26 AM »
Use Spirit Shaman instead of Druid? If you care about Wildshape, dip a PrC that grants it while preserving casting. I think there was one in Savage Species.
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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2014, 12:55:21 PM »
If you have access to more 3rd party material, you could use the Lost Tradition feat from the book "Bastards and Bloodlines" to completely shift your Druidic casting from Wisdom to Charisma based. Short of that, there aren't many things I know of that will have your Charisma do all of the work, and that's a "one-time" feat; you can't have duplicates of it, so whatever casting class you choose, it has to be that class or any prestige class you choose needs to specifically advance that previous class' spellcasting.

All in all that's the most help I can offer for making your Charisma actually pack a real punch on a Druid barring Animal Companion and Handle Animal silliness.
I'll have to run that by my DM since it's not from one of the 3rd party books he's explicitly allowed... He'll probably allow it though....

Use Spirit Shaman instead of Druid? If you care about Wildshape, dip a PrC that grants it while preserving casting. I think there was one in Savage Species.
I took a look at the Spirit Shaman... it's not terrible... but I lose out on to much by taking it instead of Druid... about the only real connection it has to the Druid class is that it uses the Druid's spell list... If my DM doesn't permit the Lost Tradition feat then I'll keep it in mind as a back up option though...

I guess that would wrap up the bulk of the Charisma issue... all that's left is figuring out how to finish the build now...

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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 05:18:15 PM »
LA buy-off would make the exp difference disappear by level 24.
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Re: [3.5] Charisma based Druid/Ranger
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2014, 05:45:03 PM »
LA buy-off would make the exp difference disappear by level 24.
Ranger 1 (or ~2) / Druid 20 or 24 / prc with Turning taken as early as possible to fit in DMM

I know but my DM will not allow LA buy-off... I've asked about it multiple times... He said he might allow LA buy-off in the next campaign, but it's a slim chance...