Dragon Mag ACF discussion

[Jackinthegreen]

This is the discussion thread for http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=9028.0.  If you spot an error or feel something might need a different formatting etc, feel free to post about it here.

[sirpercival]

Dragon 311 - wild reaper variant is missing the most important ACF: turn undead.  Get DMM without a dip.

[Mithril Leaf]

Mystic Ranger (Variant Bard: Gain spellcraft, cantrips, 5th level spells, gain other class features slower)

E6 loves Rangers silly boy.

[Maat Mons]

I advocate for page numbers and sorting by class. 

Here's what I've gleaned from Crystal Keep:

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Barbarian:
horselord 337 – 88
implacable 330 – 84
city brawler 349 – 92
dashing step 349 – 92
fearsome gaze 349 – 92
relentless smash 349 – 92
unshakable 349 – 93
halfling barbarian 342 – 90

Bard
harbinger 337 – 93
bard schools 332 – 85

Cleric
ancestral speaker 311 – 49
arcane disciple 311 – 49
aspirant 311 – 50
benevolent 311 – 50
crusader 311 – 50
evangelist 311 – 52
rage cleric 333 – 86
domain focus 347 – 91
peripheral beliefs 328 – 86
improved domain power 342 – 22

Druid
metal master 311 – 59
sidhe scholar 339 – 90
storm druid 328 – 87
urban druid 317 – 30
totem druid 335 – 87
wild reaper 311 – 55
wind walker 311 – 57
winter warden 311 – 60
focused animal 347 – 91
environmental proficiency 331 – 87
druid organizations 337 – 95

Fighter
body guard 310 – 33
commander 310 – 33
corsair 310 – 33
exoticist 310 – 35
fencer 310 – 35
horseman 310 – 36
janissary 334 – 88
kensai 310 – 36
knight 310 – 36
pugilist 310 – 37
shield bearer 310 – 38
survivalist 310 – 38
targetteer 310 – 38
thane 323 – 96

Monk
chaos monk 335 – 88
holy monk 310 – 45
hunting monk 310 – 45
martial monk 310 – 45
raging monk 310 – 45
sidewinder monk 331 – 89
steadfast monk 310 – 45
vigilant monk 310 – 45
wild monk 324 – 97
bane of the clockwork 351 – 93
sacred strike 346 – 91
unwavering dedication 346 – 91
wholeness of others 346 – 91
illuminated monk 340 – 47
monk fighting styles 310 – 42, 343 – 89, 337 – 97, 346 – 90, 334 – 89
monk arts schools 309 – 65
weapon schools 330 – 90

Paladin
anarch 310 – 47
anti-paladin 312 – 20
avenger 310 – 49
corrupter 312 – 24
despot 312 – 23
enforcer 310 – 53
gnome paladin 329 – 94
incarnate 310 – 52
sentinel 310 – 50
wyrmslayer 332 – 90
angel's sight 349 – 93
aura of banishment 349 – 93
aura of sanctity 349 – 93
gaze of truth 349 – 93
hunter of fiends 349 – 93
power of self 347 – 91
smiting arrow 349 – 93
sword of celestia 349 – 93
paladin of light 340 – 47
solstice knight 338 – 95
paladin domains 328 – 90

Ranger
mystic ranger 336 – 105
wild defender 324 – 95
solitary hunter 347 – 91
moon-warded ranger 340 – 55
alternate combat styles 326 – 97

Rogue
dwarven rogue 338 – 96
lunar rogue 340 – 55
new special abilities 332 – 92, 334 – 92, 336 – 93, 310 – 70, 326 – 93,

Sorcerer
poltergeist 336 – 107
arcane reabsorbtion 348 – 88
draconic ray 332 – 93
focus caster 348 – 88
blood of Eberron 351 – 79
blood of Kyber 351 – 79
blood of Siberys 351 – 79
spheres 330 – 95

Wizard
anagkok 344 – 104
deathwalker 312 – 30
filidh 324 – 90
fleshcrafter 312 – 32
soul reaper 312 – 34
arcane reabsorbtion 348 – 88
focus caster 348 – 88
halfling wizard 336 – 102

Hexblade
focus caster 348 – 88

Marshal
adrenalin boost 348 – 92

Scout
light cavalry 346 – 87
sniper 346 – 87

[Jackinthegreen]

Thanks for the list based on classes and not by magazine number, Maat.  I'll add that here in the next couple days once I've formatted it and probably make it the original post then put the mag number list in as the second or third.

Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Perce: I've added that to the list now.

[Mithril Leaf]

Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I was trying to be clever in my pointing out that Mystic Ranger is in fact a variant upon the ranger class and not the bard.

[Jackinthegreen]

Mithril: Um, huh?  Mystic Ranger is in there under Dragon 336.  And there's no reason to mention E6 really, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I was trying to be clever in my pointing out that Mystic Ranger is in fact a variant upon the ranger class and not the bard.

Ah, gotcha.

I think the comment about it being a bard variant comes from its spellcasting progression, though of course bards get 0-6th level spells while the mystic ranger gets a fast track 0-5th.

[Jackinthegreen]

I'm taking longer on this because I'd like to combine the first list based on Dragon issue with the class list Maat provided.  It's looking like a weekend thing, but in the meantime between getting the redone class version up, I'll be adding Maat's original as the second post.

[Maat Mons]

I've noticed a fair number of things that are on Rooster's list, but aren't on the one I posted.  I've compiled them here. 

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Archivist
alternate spellbooks 332 – 94

Barbarian:
dwarf barbarian 341 – 92
elf barbarian 341 – 92
gnome barbarian 341 – 92
half-elf barbarian 341 – 92
half-orc barbarian 341 – 92
halfling barbarian 341 – 92
devil's luck 349 – 92

Binder:
new vestiges 341 – 68
new vestiges 357 – 66

Cleric:
cleric acfs 353 – 88

Druid:
alternate animal companions 327 – 87
elk companion 333 – 87
plant companions 357 – 90

Fighter:
fighter acfs 355 – 92

Hexblade:
alternative familiars 280 – 60
familiarity breeds 331 – 93
new familiars 341 – 88
spellcaster acfs 357 – 88

Marshal:
marshal fix 348 – 92

Monk:
monk backgrounds 338 – 93
shifter monk 355 – 76
monk styles 358 – 84

Ninja:
elemental ninjas 354 – 86

Psion:
psions of the orient 308 – 62

Psychic Warrior:
psions of the orient 308 – 62

Ranger:
alternate animal companions 327 – 87
elk companion 333 – 87
dwarf ranger 341 – 92
elf ranger 341 – 92
gnome ranger 341 – 92
half-elf ranger 341 – 92
half-orc ranger 341 – 92
halfling ranger 341 – 92
plant companions 357 – 90

Sorcerer:
alternative familiars 280 – 60
familiarity breeds 331 – 93
new familiars 341 – 88
dragonmarked sorcerer 351 – 79
spellcaster acfs 357 – 88

Soulknife:
umbragen soulknife 330 – 46

Spellthief:
spellthief acfs 353 – 84

Totemist:
new soulmelds 350 – 86

Wizard:
alternative familiars 280 – 60
specialist familiars 323 – 98
familiarity breeds 331 – 93
alternate spellbooks 332 – 94
halfling wizard 337 – 102
new familiars 341 – 88
spellcaster acfs 357 – 88

Wu Jen:
alternate spellbooks 332 – 94

Some other things I noticed about the list I posted: Horselord, in the barbarian section, is listed as being from issue 337, when it's actually from issue 338.  “Anagakok,” in the wizard section is misspelled.  There's an extra comma on the new special abilities line in the rogue section. 

Would you consider adding descriptions the the class-ordered list? 

[Jackinthegreen]

When I can get off my ass and do some work I'll add descriptions to the class list as well as all the changes you've proposed, yes.

[Jackinthegreen]

For those curious, the time for me getting off my ass and working on this is right about now.  I'm in the process of looking at the various Dragon Mags referenced so that I can double check the information and such, and then I'll put it together in the same way that my port of Dead_Weasel's ACF Guide is formatted.

[Jackinthegreen]

I have redone the handbook so it's sorted by classes and then Dragon Mag numbers in the first post.  I've also added the page numbers directly under the spoiler headings when you open them.  Hopefully it should be much easier to reference things now.

I expect I might want to iterate on the formatting and such, but right now I just want to let my brain relax.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

V nice, multi-index-able.


Dr#311 for Clerics: Arcane Disciple: Gains one arcane spell every level from the bard or wiz/sorc spell list one level lower than your maximum and gains all the spells of the Magic domain automatically.

Hobgoblin into Hexer really likes this.

[Jackinthegreen]

Adding Dragon 330 stuff.

Edit:  Found the page number for the Implacable barbarian and clarified its Rage variant, added alternate monk weapon styles based on real-world martial arts, added sorcerer spheres based on a powerful magical creature as an ancestor.

[Nifft]

Just wanted to point out an error:

(Dragon 324)
Page 90
Filidh (Variant Wizard): Different skills, Bardic Knowledge, +CL for Divination spells; no feats, familiar or Scribe scroll.

The text says that the class gives you all Wizard features except as indicated, and the only contra-indicated feature is the Familiar.

If text trumps table -- and we know it does -- then a Filidh gets bonus feats, including Scribe Scroll.

That makes it a significantly better trade, in my opinion.