leg sweep vs FoM, Imp trip vs FoM

[Blightersbane]

Would leg sweep or imp trip have success vs an opponent with freedom of movement spell active???

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[StreamOfTheSky]

Would leg sweep or imp trip have success vs an opponent with freedom of movement spell active???

BB

Yes.

[Blightersbane]

thanks Stream, I was debating this with DM and other players pre-play. I was saying they can be tripped, knocked down eg feats work as intended. My opinion was chalked up as bias, I was making a  10th level Monk. BUT I could not grapple or hold him. Then they started to debate bull rushing VS FoM.

The rules seem soooo ambiguous, its almost laughable, almost, mostly irritating, but still just shy of a chuckle!

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[linklord231]

Freedom of Movement does not protect against prone.  However, you might be able to argue that "move and attack normally" would mean that a prone creature wouldn't suffer the penalty to attack with a melee weapon while prone, and would be able to make ranged attacks with weapons other than a crossbow. 

[Blightersbane]

I have heard some extreme nonsensical approach to FoM.

Hows this ... immune to pit trap because the little 10 by 10 by 10 room with spiked flooring below could not contain a person under influence of FOM...???

[StreamOfTheSky]

If your DM is being a tool about Freedom of Movement, drop the person with it in a body of water and point out that the water gives no buoyancy to interfere with the person's movement, so he sinks to the bottom and cannot swim back to the surface, slowly drowning to death.

I've seen that equally stupid interpretation of FoM before, and if he's going to be a moron in one direction regarding it, may as well force him to be in both directions or at least blatantly expose his hypocrisy.

[Blightersbane]

anyone have info on freedom of Movement vs
ki throw
trip
imp trip
greater trip
OMG your like totally a good tripper
vicious stomp

it is an never ending circle of conversation and argument. How/why would they leave something like FoM soooooo ambiguous. I mean I get the " let each game group do their own thing"...but a little direction couldnt of hurt here...pathfinder dropped the ball here! They had a chance to clear stuff up and 1 or 2 sentences really coulda shoulda done just that!

[Snowbluff]

If your DM is being a tool about Freedom of Movement, drop the person with it in a body of water and point out that the water gives no buoyancy to interfere with the person's movement, so he sinks to the bottom and cannot swim back to the surface, slowly drowning to death.

I've seen that equally stupid interpretation of FoM before, and if he's going to be a moron in one direction regarding it, may as well force him to be in both directions or at least blatantly expose his hypocrisy.

Picking them up would similar interfere with their movement.

He could also just walk. He'd move at full speed. If we're talking about level 7, he can fly out.

If you're being similarly anal about it, unconsciousness limits their ability to move, so they can't drown.