Pathfinder Dirty Fighter

[Triskavanski]

On Wednesdays I play a pathfinder game with a few people, where I've elected to play the martial guy, the fighter. But rather than go the typical "I like swords" route, I decided to focus him down the ways of dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

Therin Dasher

First a few questions about him -

Why did I not go cad or the new dirty fighter archetype for orcs in Advance race guide? Well, beyond the first most obvious thing, (That being the Martial Master Archetype is incompatable) the two archetypes do very little in all honesty.

Dirty fighter really just make it so you can do dirty tricks a little faster, and then impose an extra condition. Its.. okay. but due to Dirty Tactics, we've got a whole slew of new things for dirty tricks. Oh and speedy Tricks is easily replaced with Quick Dirty Trick.

Cad suffers from the same situation. At least they slowly get better at dirty trick maneuvers, along with disarm and Steal. But in reality, only dirty trick is useful for almost anything. If you're fighting a bear, it neither has something to disarm or steal.

Lore Warden on the other hand, is absolutely wonderful for any combat maneuver. Even resisting combat maneuvers. I mean, +8 on all maneuvers? Before my feats? Okay sure, its level 15 we get that full bonus. But still, We're talking 28 base CMB at level 20.

We get more skill points, resulting in more ability to do things, and all Int based skills are now class based skills. Oh did I mention that you can up that CMB even higher? With know thy enemy, we could add another +2 on the targets we need to take on.



The Skinny of the character

Martial Flexibility is just absolutely awesome to me. Being able to pick up any feat, at any time, for even just a minute, its perfect. That being said, the character's design started with the Dirty Tactics book and the Feat Dirty Fighting.  Here we've got the ability to pretend we have 13 in, 13 wis, improved unarmed strike and combat expertise. Thats great stuff there, even If I'm not really taking advantage of it. What I am taking advantage of is the flanking aspect of the feat.

Getting this, practically gives you improved (combat maneuver), but only if you're getting flanking bonuses and decide to sacrifice that. It gets even better when you do have it, as the feat doubles the flanking bonus. Plus you get the +2 from the ICM feat. The madness just keeps getting better, as I've found a few other feats that really help you a lot.

Namely Gang Up and Press to the Wall And suddenly the amount of opportunities to fight enemies with a flanking bonus increase. Fighting in a 5 foot wide hallway? Well, with Gang up and Press to the Wall, you now are flanking anyone who comes into melee with you.

With a stamina pool as well, could make single square taking up immobile objects into a proper flank buddy when needed, even if I can't get that angle just right.


I'm looking for some more ways of fighting dirty too. I've got all kinds of gear on the guy, arrow tubes to shoot the enemy from surprise, eventually going to get boot blades and other surprise weapons too.

[zook1shoe]

wait for the Dirty Tactics Toolbox book coming out in a couple weeks (if you can)

there was some of the feats on PFSRD, but got pulled down since it was too soon. but there are gonna be some great prereq feats and more

[phaedrusxy]

A couple of things:
1) the maneuver master monk looks like a fantastic dip for this kind of character
2) combat maneuvers are attacks, so you can add the +20 from True Strike onto them. With a Magus dip, you can cast this for free (Wand Mastery could help you do this every round if desired).

[Triskavanski]

problem i see with mmm is they use thier monk level in place of cmb.
The wands are good, but going a step further i think with using pragmatic activator, making UMD an int skill, then we get all sorts of nasties

as for dirty tactic tool box, yes in deed. its yhat slip up that made me go buy the book, but the first thing i saw was the dirty grapple.getting that, i could quickly remove an enemys ability to fight with grabbing and then causing a negitive effect in them.. the dirty fighter feat is the big one as you gain a lot of adaptibility

[phaedrusxy]

problem i see with mmm is they use thier monk level in place of cmb.

I interpret that to mean "for their monk levels", not all levels. I'd definitely run it by the DM before using it, though. Otherwise it is of course shit (which is why I think that interpretation makes no sense).

[zook1shoe]

I think that was erratad

[Gazzien]

problem i see with mmm is they use thier monk level in place of cmb.

I interpret that to mean "for their monk levels", not all levels. I'd definitely run it by the DM before using it, though. Otherwise it is of course shit (which is why I think that interpretation makes no sense).

It was explicitly called out "for their monk levels" for Flurry, and if a DM wants to say that MMM is different just because that specific errata doesn't apply... that's just a dick move

[Triskavanski]

Or if they just read it, straight from the book and don't quite go all the way.

I almost want to do a level in monk, but the way I see the guy, he's anything but lawful. besides that, it slows down all my getting of things. Besides that, I'm really not needing to do dirty moves in a flurry of attacks, The new Dirty Grapple is pretty good at taking an opponent down, where  I can as a full round action, grapple and inflict them with a dirty trick effect.

[Triskavanski]

Now I've found Throat Slitter in Heroes of the Street, which has one of the more interesting feats.

Particularly because it opens up Pinned as a condition that can allow you to perform a coup de grace, as a standard action.

Combined with Bushwack, this allows you to perform a grapple attack during the surprise round as a standard action, and follow it up with a free Pinning attempt. If Chokehold is used, the target won't eve be able to shout out. Then next round you can use your standard to slit the target's throat. A rather lovel combonation that could be used to take out targets one at a time.

This could be employed by a rogue or ninja rather easily. Especially if they've got major magic to cast vanish.

[zook1shoe]

That book already out?

Bushwhack got whacked in PFS

[Triskavanski]

wacked?

[zook1shoe]

Gotten rid of, but actually that was Hurtful and Pile On

[Triskavanski]

Ah cause its in the monster codex.

Keros oil, how does one use this effectively?

[zook1shoe]

Keros oil? Sucks. Can't think of much more than spitting flames at a barrel of oil or maybe fire.